Nike Indoor Nationals

[bvpv07]

I think that caseman has a problem with the call because the official had already raised his white flag.

[polevaulter08nw]

i agree, when you give a vaulter a pass already, then call it back, thats a mishap for both vaulter and official. The off. shouldhave waited so the vaulter would not of had the feeling of relief.

[nitro]

and props to hunter that boy was jumpin like an animal, i wouldnt be suprized if he beat out spencer for the national record next year.

ya hunter just finally put evrything together for the first time and thats what happend...on his 17 foot jumps he was just so tired but i can see him getting it but higher that that hes gonna have a little trouble but its been 4 meets in a row that hes gone 16+ so hes been consistant and spencer hasnt been that much as what ive seen but i think it will be another great year next year

[drcurran]

Hope i did not speak out of turn. My earlier comment about the officials doing the "right thing" was about giving the 4th try. If the other "stuff" I read about is correct I feel badly for the athletes. As most of you know most times, in our sport, the officials are not paid, and I guess sometimes that goes with the saying "you get what you pay for". I think the best people to have working the standard are pole vaulters who are not in the competition. They don't make any "calls" but they are the best at putting the bar up and moving the standards. Just my .02

Dan

PS - NCAA in Fayetteville - mens vaults 16 vaulters = 96 jumps = 2 hrs.
"nuff said"

[nitro]

i agree dan...the offialcals didnt have a clue what they were doing really the main official was trying to say what the plane was and she said "if you go past the thing that you put your stick into you cross the plane" i think it would be great to have old pole vaulters come and do it or atleast someone formillar with the sport because there were a lot of things like that too that made me really mad because it was hurting all the athletes...she also said 5 alieve was ILLEGAL which i still dont get how she came to that conclusion but w.e. maybe next year they will get it together

[VaultWatcher]

Wow. 96 jumps in two hours with 16 vaulters at the NCAA. As a parent, I long for the day when the High School competitions are run more efficiently! It is disappointing and frustrating for the competitors in High School to go to meets never knowing what to expect. Some things are okay at some meets and not at others. Officials vary in what their pet peeves are. I am all for athletes having to adjust and discipline themselves to problem solve...but some of our experiences have been over the top. And I do believe that the officials...at any meet should be helpful instead of mean. They are there for the kids...not the other way around. I watched the official holding the flags during the girls pv at NIN be obstinate about moving to the other side of the runway to do his job. This would not have changed one thing about his responsibilities. However, if he knew ANYTHING about the vault, he would have realized that he was right in the way of all coaches views of the take off foot for their athletes and right in the way of anyone trying to video the plant and take off. Finally, one of the head officials asked him to move. Thank God, some one has some common sense. I agree about having vaulters move the standards...they just know. My son learned a huge lesson at NIN about always checking the standards himself and not relying on the meet officials. Remember the day when the vaulters used to go stand their pole up in the box and actually look at where the standards were placed? Our son just may be doing that old ritual again soon after realizing that it is never a good idea to trust someone else to get your standards exactly where you want them.

Anyway, it was a very large meet and it was exciting to be there. Congrats to all! Best wishes for outdoor!

[Vaultref]

Not sure who said in this thread about the officials refusing to use 5-alive, but if anyone who was there can answer my question please do.

My question is at any given height during the early part of the vault competition were there MORE than 12 jumpers actively jumping?
If there wasn't, meaning only 12 or less were actively jumping, then USATF says to go straight through the order.

Another question and this one might not be easy to verify, would be did "meet management" order the officials to not use 5-alive?

If you look at the start/result list for the vault at the NSIC in NYC ( http://www.nsictf.org/Index.htm ) you'll see it is printed at the top of the sheet to use the 5-alive method.

So it is possible that NIN meet management said NO to this method.

[CooperPV]

There was deffinetly more then 12 running through at 14 and 14'6 jumps even at 15 .... now when we got to 15'6 and up it started getting a tad thinner but it was pretty ridiculous ... if you missed ur first attempt u were waitng 25 min to take ur second ... that throws off ur mind set and not to mention your legs ... but then again that is something that you should have to deal with .. cuzz yes everyone else did ... but its something that can be improved upon

[AVC Coach]

Congrats to Scott, Mike, Jordan, Hunter and all of the vaulters that competed! They put on a great show and everyone that witnessed it will never forget it! Great group of young men. I had my 10 yr. old son with me and I was proud of the way all of these guys conducted themselves and set some outstanding examples for the young "somedayers". Thanks guys!

As for the officiating, there's a fine line between complaining and whining so I'm not going to do either. Maybe next year they will have an "A" group and a "B" group like NIKE Outdoors this past summer and that will eliminate some of the confusion and congestion.

[princess]

Wow. 96 jumps in two hours with 16 vaulters at the NCAA. As a parent, I long for the day when the High School competitions are run more efficiently! It is disappointing and frustrating for the competitors in High School to go to meets never knowing what to expect. Some things are okay at some meets and not at others. Officials vary in what their pet peeves are. I am all for athletes having to adjust and discipline themselves to problem solve...but some of our experiences have been over the top. And I do believe that the officials...at any meet should be helpful instead of mean. They are there for the kids...not the other way around. I watched the official holding the flags during the girls pv at NIN be obstinate about moving to the other side of the runway to do his job. This would not have changed one thing about his responsibilities. However, if he knew ANYTHING about the vault, he would have realized that he was right in the way of all coaches views of the take off foot for their athletes and right in the way of anyone trying to video the plant and take off. Finally, one of the head officials asked him to move. Thank God, some one has some common sense. I agree about having vaulters move the standards...they just know. My son learned a huge lesson at NIN about always checking the standards himself and not relying on the meet officials. Remember the day when the vaulters used to go stand their pole up in the box and actually look at where the standards were placed? Our son just may be doing that old ritual again soon after realizing that it is never a good idea to trust someone else to get your standards exactly where you want them.

Anyway, it was a very large meet and it was exciting to be there. Congrats to all! Best wishes for outdoor!

About that official during the girls competition, the one with the flags, he was VERY MEAN!! If you came with in five feet of him you were in the way and he would hit his flags together and then tell you to step away. So for the people who werent there for the girls competition but were there for the guys competition, the same spot were the guys would stand to yell across to their caoachs, was in violation of this area that he "controlled" one of my good friends had just taken a jump and she missed the bar so naturally she went over there to talk to her coach, so she knew what to do on the next jump. No problem right.....wrong this official started hitting his flags together and telling her to move. When she didn't hear him the official walked over to her and told her that she was not allowed to stand there and she was going to have to move. She was doing nothing but talking.

Another time I went down to catch my friends step and so I went down there and sat on the ground by this empty chair and I was plenty out of the way, so I sat there for about five minutes and when he saw me sitting there he hit those flags together and asked me to move that "this area is for athletes only" could he not tell that I was competing I mean maybe he didn't realize but he wasn't very nice about it. He was very VERY mean.

I want to give some props to a great person who has taught me the meaning of "work through the pain"....

For those of you who werent there during warm ups Brittany Parker rolled her ankle pretty badly, she limped off the mats and then the trainer took her to look at it, taped it and she came back to jump, you could tell that it was bothering her, but she still jumped. After the meet was over and we all met back at the medal stand she had the tape off and her ankle was so swollen. She deserves some props, I can only imagine how much that hurt!!!! Brittany You Are AMAZING!!!!

Congrats to every one I was there for the guys and saw three guys over 17 it was amazing and Hunter Hall PR'd twice, congrats man!!!!

To all the girls great job, hope to see all of you at outdoors, good luck with your seasons.....go bigger!!

Jump High, and good luck!!!!

[GBHS]

In a previous posting the question was asked, "How far off were the standards." Because it was a meet record, the officials brought the standards to zero for a mesurement. They pulled the cone off the track, indicating it was ok to jump, but had not moved the standard (closest to the track) back to it's setting at 40. Scotty was jumping at 40 and 45 all day. So the answer to the question of how far off.... 40cm. I did not catch it. But almost everyone in the stands and the officials did. I also had Greg Whopse's dad filming. And sure enough, the video shows it was off.

[slowest5.50]

I had the chance to talk with an official at the beginning of the girl’s competition just to air out some concerns. I didn’t want to sound like a nagging parent or coach but there were some things that were not consistent with what was being done and said. My son told me the lady said 5 alive was not allowed and that it was illegal! When I said to the girls official he said the girls WOULD be run 5 alive. Wouldn’t you assume it would be run the same for both?! The facility is way too small to host such an event! The poles had to be stacked on top of each other to make room around the runway. When warming up the kids were trying to jog around the pole vault area and next to the triple jump runway. After my son missed his 1st attempt at 15’0â€Â