Which would you rather have?
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Track and field goal depends on athlete
Sunday, June 19, 2005
Bill Livingston
Plain Dealer Columnist
Olympic gold medal or world record - which would you rather have?
The answer might be that most people would take either one, no questions asked. To elite track and field athletes, however, it's a problem of considerably more importance than the tastes great/less filling schism that divides most of us.
There was, after all, only one Jesse Owens, who set three world records and tied a fourth in one afternoon in the 1935 Big Ten championship meet. He then won four gold medals in the 1936 Berlin Olympics while Adolf Hitler's mustache twitched nervously.
Yet consider Sergey Bubka, the Ukrainian pole vaulter who won six World Championships in a row and still holds all the records for the event, some of them more than a decade old. He remains the only 20-foot (6.10 meters) pole vaulter in history.
Bubka won only one Olympic pole vaulting gold medal. It was a testament both to the nature of the event as a crapshoot on a catapult and to the insane difficulty of beating the best in the world on a given day once every four years on the world's biggest stage.
On the same day this week as Jamaica's Asafa Powell broke one of the track and field's most glamorous records with a 9.77-second 100 meters, I asked two great Ohio track and field athletes which they would choose.
"The Olympic gold medal," said Tim Mack of Westlake, the pole vault gold medalist in the 2004 Olympics in Greece.
"The world record," said Harry "Butch" Reynolds of Akron, the silver medalist in the 400 meters in the 1988 Olympics in South Korea and for 11 years the holder of the 400 meters world record.
Mack, a career journeyman, worked eight long years after reaching the national- and world-class levels to become an overnight sensation. He set an Olympic record of 19 feet, 6¼ inches - better even than Bubka at the Games - on his third and final attempt to win the gold in an upset of fellow American Toby Stevenson.
"It's a tough question, but I would take the gold medal because nobody can ever take it away from you," Mack said.
It is, with apologies to soccer's World Cup, the most recognizable athletic bauble in the world.
Nonetheless, Mack continued to vault across Europe and Asia after the Olympics, both because he was hotter than Annika Sorenstam in an LPGA major and because he felt he would be considered a fluke winner until he vaulted 6 meters (19-8¼). He cleared 6.01 (19-8½) in Monaco late in the season, becoming the 12th man all-time to clear the 6-meter mark.
"I needed it for validation," Mack said.
For his part, Reynolds, now the strength, flexibility and nutrition coach for football at Ohio State, his alma mater, still replays his loss to Steve Lewis in Seoul.
"I relaxed in the second 100. I made the greatest kick of my life in the last 100 meters, but I got beat on the lean at the finish," said Reynolds, who was known for his gangbusters finishes.
He got a gold medal as a member of the USA's 4x400 relay team, but it wasn't the same. Reynolds chased his dream of individual gold for three more Olympiads. He was worn down at the Olympic Trials by his fight against international track and field authorities over a probable botched drug test in 1992. He cramped up in 1996 in his semifinal heat at the Atlanta Olympics. He could not outrun age in 2000.
He always will be remembered, though, for breaking Lee Evans' 20-year old high-altitude mark by .57 seconds in Switzerland in 1988 with a 43.29 clocking.
"When Michael Johnson broke my record, it was by .11 seconds," Reynolds said. "You can't even set your watch that fast. Breaking the world record, and by so much, was the best thing ever to happen to me. As [the Browns'] Jim Brown told me, people can argue about who was the best running back ever. Maybe it was him, maybe it was Gale Sayers or O.J. Simpson. But one thing about setting a world record, you know who the best is."
As far as the best ever, when former Ohio State football star Todd Bell died this year, one of the footnotes to his athletic career was that he broke the Ohio high school long jump record at the Mansfield Relays with a leap of 25-2 in 1977. The old record of 24-9 had been set by Owens in, ahem, 1933.
World War II kept Owens from repeating his Olympic glory. Nobody gets to have it all, but he came close.
World Record or Olympic Gold Medal?
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I think that I may have to agree with Tim Mack on this one. It's true that no one can ever take an Olympic gold medal away from you. There will always be your name next to your achievement there, and you will be the one standing on top of the podium. I can't even start to imagine what that must have felt like for him. Breaking a world record would be amazing because you know that, for that time, you are the BEST. However, in all probability, there will be someone who will break your record, and, after that's been done, what do you have? You can say that you once held the world record, but you won't have anything, such as an Olympic gold, to remind everyone that you have. Additionally, I think that people tend to remember Olympic winners more than past world record holders (except, perhaps for RogerRuth, who seems to know every pv statistic that ever was), and so that is why I think that it would be better to have an Olympic gold.
Actually, I think that the best thing would be to set a world record as you win Olympic gold.
Note: This was fun to speculate on, although it will never happen for me.
Actually, I think that the best thing would be to set a world record as you win Olympic gold.

Note: This was fun to speculate on, although it will never happen for me.
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wow, this was a really good question. it was cool to hear what the champs said, especially tim mack. having gold would be soo amazing, just to have to honor of winning the olympics. but i would rather be the world record holder. just to know that no one has EVER jumped higher than you before in the whole world, would be such an amazing feat.
either way i look at it, both acheivements are undoubtably some of the best feelings and accomplishments you can ever come across in a lifetime, and i would take either one with great honor.
thanks for the article, can't wait to hear other people's comments.
either way i look at it, both acheivements are undoubtably some of the best feelings and accomplishments you can ever come across in a lifetime, and i would take either one with great honor.
thanks for the article, can't wait to hear other people's comments.
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Perplexing question definitly. I would have to agree with TMAck on this though. I would rather stand on the podium and represent my country then to have a world record that will most likely be broken in your life time. A world record dosnt mean you are the best...it means u had the race or jump of ur life, and some1 else will have that time too. But then again sometimes the best dont win the olympics.
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I agree with Tim Mack too! I think that no one can ever take away your gold medal and the honor of winning the Olympics. A world record would be really cool, but then you'd have everyone trying to beat your mark, and eventually it would fall. Records are made to be broken. So, although both accomplishments are ones that everyone should dream of, i would rather have an olympic Gold.
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When I think about this question, I have a little different approach. If you attain a world record, you have demonstrated that no one else has ever done better in that event. Of course that record will some day fall. But no one can ever take away from you the fact that you once the performed your event better than anyone else had ever done at any time. Compare that to winning the Gold medal at the Olympics. In this situation, you have performed better than anyone else on that day in that arena. One could argue that fate and good luck are required in addition to the obvious skill level and ability to rise to the occasion that is required to win the Olympics. I acknowledge that the winners stand in the Olympic forum is beyond comprehension to those of us who have not experienced it, but I see that as a different thing than the pride and personal satisfaction that would come with achieving and holding a world record.
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That's true master.....but you ought to see his medal!! Very Very Cool!!!!
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Re: medal
ladyvolspvcoach wrote:That's true master.....but you ought to see his medal!! Very Very Cool!!!!
I'm sure it is, and I don't contest how much pride a person could and should take in winning it. You would think there would be some medal for a world record. (Perhaps there is and I just don't know about it

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I believe the medal for a WR is in Check forum $$$$$$
if thats the case, Bubka has 34 "medals"
But i agree with master... Gold medal = amazing! but WR = best ever up to that date.....

if thats the case, Bubka has 34 "medals"
But i agree with master... Gold medal = amazing! but WR = best ever up to that date.....
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Well if u set a world record ur gonna get a medal...but it most likely wount be a olympic gold. Secondly, yes, i think a world record had a very hefty bonus if you break it paid for by the IAAF, i think its $250,000. But both are awsome, but no can take my gold medal away period, secondly, just cause you HOLD the world record dosnt mean your the best ever at that date...you just happen to be the first get there. Like Roger Bannister, he was the first to break the 4 minute mile, then what a week later it was broken.
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