Isinbajeva's 4.90 jump

[jomrus]

I think old Isinbajeva AKA Izzy needs to work on her abs. She is pulling real bad with her bottom arm, so that she can get upside down. What's the deal. I know lots of girls with better plant technique, and this Isibajeva chick somehow gets over 4.90 or 4.92 or whatever the devil the women's record is now. Disagree? Let me know

[jomrus]

Not worth a reply? Eh oh well. Anyway, the whole reason for this post was that I thought it was interesting that the women who pull the worst with their bottom arm (Dragila & Isinbajeva) have been some of the most successful pioneers in the women's vault. Food for thought.

[rainbowgirl28]

Patience... weekends tend to be slower on here, since people are busy competing and whatnot.

[achtungpv]

I think it just shows that the event is still quite immature. You can get away with a lot and still be jump high relative to the competition.

[C-townvault]

I know lots of girls with better plant technique, and this Isibajeva chick somehow gets over 4.90 or 4.92

interesting that the women who pull the worst with their bottom arm (Dragila & Isinbajeva) have been some of the most successful pioneers in the women's vault. Food for thought.

Maybe this is a case of thinking outside of the box and getting positive results, sounds similiar to my understanding of the 6.40 model and the continuous chain that have been discussed by Launder(sp?) and Botcharnikov(sp?).

Isinbajeva's Olympic 4.85 seems like she has an awesome push (heightwise) off her pole? Not many girls that are pushing 18"+ off the top?

[swtvault]

"Izzy,"--I like that--and dragila do indeed pull real bad with their bottom hands. I think that it is a survival method that works OK for both of them. Both of them end up with their hips beating their chest, so the pull on the bottom hand keeps them in check and allows them to find a line-up. Most people that pull down on their bottom hand tend to have that symptom.

[master]

Would anyone of the posters here please help an old vaulter learn what you mean by "pulling with their bottom arm", and also "hips beating their chest"? Maybe you can tell me where during the vault these things occur and why the vaulters might be doing those actions. Thanks.

[swtvault]

Would anyone of the posters here please help an old vaulter learn what you mean by "pulling with their bottom arm", and also "hips beating their chest"? Maybe you can tell me where during the vault these things occur and why the vaulters might be doing those actions. Thanks.

Pulling (or hugging) the bottom arm: Usually someone has a nice high plant, but then when they start swinging you see the left arm bend or collapse.

Hips beating the chest: Watch people take-off, Ideally you want the chest slightly ahead of the hips or in a straight line with the hips. Look at the position of say a Bubka, and notice how his hips are in line with his chest. Now when someone has their hips beat their chest, that means that the hips are ahead of the chest when the takeoff foot is leaving the ground (BAD.)

Now, lets decipher this again. Lets say we catch a bad takeoff, we're under, and our hips beat the hell out of our chest. What options do we now have? A) We can abort and say to hell with the jump. B) We can attempt to move through the jump as normal and totally miss the ride (We've all seen this, a guy gets smacked at the takeoff, but can't quite keep up with the pole.) OR C) We can continue swinging as normal, but this time lets pull down a little on the bottom hand to pick up the slack we already created and keep things moving.

C) would probably be the most logical choice given the circumstances. I have said this many times before (I think) but there will always be cause and effect in any kind of movement. For instance, how many times do you hear a coach say, "If he would have let go of the pole he would have made it!" Think about that. It makes absolutely no sense when you think about what I am saying here. There IS a reason he did not let go of the pole. He lacked rotation......WHY? maybe he came up a little short.......WHY? He was under........WHY????? Don't just look at the undesirable action, think about why it happened, trace it back, and I bet 9 times out of ten it can all be traced to something that happened on the ground. It basically all boils down to the stuff that DJ has been talking about. I think a whole lot of people miss the big picture. Like I have said before, I don't claim to be an expert, but I do believe that I have learned quite a bit of stuff from all the people I have worked with in the past 10 years. I hope this was helpful.

[master]

Thank you swtvault. That was simple enough for me to understand and detailed enough for me to appreciate the "big" picture.

[andrej]

I don't know if you guys are aware of how Russians teach pole vault, but her technique is almost flawless according to Russian pole vault books. Her plant is perfect and I doubt that it could be improven. You might not agree with that, but the Russians would. Her energy transfer into the pole with such plant assures her consistent jumps over 490. However, as you guys were saying, she could do better in her swing.

[vaultfan]

There’s a couple of articles on the pvei website ( http://www.pvei.com) that might be of relevance to this topic:


Pete’s Points for Perfect Pole Vaulting (see item #22) Let the Pulling Force of the Extending Pole be transferred through the lower handgrip.
http://pvei.com/vault/viewtopic.php?t=1 ... highlight=

“ Pole Thrustâ€Â

[master]

[quote="vaultfan"]There’s a couple of articles on the pvei website ( http://www.pvei.com) that might be of relevance to this topic:


Pete’s Points for Perfect Pole Vaulting (see item #22) Let the Pulling Force of the Extending Pole be transferred through the lower handgrip.
http://pvei.com/vault/viewtopic.php?t=1 ... highlight=

“ Pole Thrustâ€Â