Bigger sticks for bigger guys!!

[russvault]

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People say big sticks the only way to jump over 5.70 18'8
not all of the time though.
Pat manson, Scott Huffman, all jumped on 5 meter sticks and jumped consistantly high on them. I know huffman's AR was on a 5 meter 14.8.
I jumped my first 19' on a 14.8 5 meter gripping about 16'.
Duplantis is another one, whos grip was very low!!. The shorter guys have to have better technique!!! to roll poles over to vertical, beam you know that yourself.
The new guys are all big, tall, and strong.
Walker, skipper, Scott, ect.

Chad Harting who was one of the best technically sound vaulters was on 5 meter sticks also.

[vaultguru6]

So I know brad is on 5.20 12.0ish. I've heard rumors of 5.30 poles for Scott and rumors of someone making a 5.40 pole for him??? Anyone know if there's any truth behind this? I can believe 5.30 poles for a guy thats 6'9", but i really can't bring myself to believe that ANYONE could get on a 5.40 pole. Thats just insane.

[Beam]

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People say big sticks the only way to jump over 5.70 18'8
not all of the time though.

Duplantis is another one, whos grip was very low!!. The shorter guys have to have better technique!!! to roll poles over to vertical, beam you know that yourself.
The new guys are all big, tall, and strong.
Walker, skipper, Scott, ect.
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I agree that the shorter guys have better technique. See many tall gymnists out there? But that technique can only get them so far on the short sticks. Most of the short guys will have a way tougher time gripping high, while the taller men will have an easier time. . which means they don't have to work as hard to jump 70. I also said that "most" people that jump over 5.70 "consistantly," not once, are all on big long sticks. Speed and "efficient" grip height is more important than looking pretty; but that is of course in my humblest opinion. And I don't necessarily think that the AR jump of huffman's was technically sound. Short guys have to huffman role at times because their lack of penitration into the pit means certain death if they turn the jump up. Pat Manson, Luke Walker, and Borya Cellantano are jumpers that I've seen jump well on short sticks. Take those same jumps, put them on a 5.10 13.0 to 12.0 and you'll see 6meter jumps come out of them. The trick to becoming successful isn't by jumping high once. Everyone knows that it has to happen consistantly in order to make any money in the event. I'm not an advocate of gripping too high, so please don't take this away from what I've said. No part of me wants to see people landing in the box because they think that gripping high is all that jumping high is about. I'll bet Huffman, Manson, yourself, and Duplantis would want to be on 5.10 sticks jumping technically better than the taller guys. The great thing about the jumps on shorter sticks is that we know it's possible. You're all much faster than the average tall guy too, which makes up for the lack of height at your take off. Wish I had that speed. It would still be interesting to get the facts about what sticks the consistant 5.70 jumpers are on. Might be cool to see here what sticks you and other elite jumpers are trying to jump on. I'm not certain whether you are still on 5m poles or not, but my guess is that you've gotten yourself a pretty 5.10 series to play with.

[Bruce Caldwell]

So I know brad is on 5.20 12.0ish. I've heard rumors of 5.30 poles for Scott and rumors of someone making a 5.40 pole for him??? Anyone know if there's any truth behind this? I can believe 5.30 poles for a guy thats 6'9", but i really can't bring myself to believe that ANYONE could get on a 5.40 pole. Thats just insane.

WE made a 17'7 1/2" pole wihtt he tip on and sent it to Bell Athletics no one in Texas is on that size GRIN.
It was a 12.8 and weighed less than 6.10 lbs naked.

We also have some 17'6" 10.8 that weigh about the same. We did not make them for any one in particular but realize that someone may need sticks that bend over better than fastbacks that are carbon and really stiff soon.

[Decamouse]

Scott recently received couple of 5.30 Carbon FX - 11.4 and 11.0 - he jumped Pacer Carbon FX at NCAA's - not the biggest sticks we every built - close - fastbacks are an old design that a few people down south like - the current pole, Pacer Carbon FX roll over pretty well for Skipper (1), Kim (2), Scott (4), the Texas Tech Gang and one of the most resilient vaulters - "lets land in the stands" Scotten - 17' 8 1/2" after that crash is amazing - It still is about how high you jump - not how big a pole you have

[Beam]

Scott recently received couple of 5.30 Carbon FX - 11.4 and 11.0 - he jumped Pacer Carbon FX at NCAA's - not the biggest sticks we every built - close - fastbacks are an old design that a few people down south like - the current pole, Pacer Carbon FX roll over pretty well for Skipper (1), Kim (2), Scott (4), the Texas Tech Gang and one of the most resilient vaulters - "lets land in the stands" Scotten - 17' 8 1/2" after that crash is amazing - It still is about how high you jump - not how big a pole you have

I don't really think the issue was what type of pole, but rather how long a pole (doesn't matter what company) the guys that jumped 70 on a consistant basis. It happens on Spirit and Pacer both. Any pole company can build a long stick stiff stick. I was more concerned with the facts regarding length and flex, but if a person feels compelled to say what type then promote on. There are many vaulters that jump 5.70 plus on spirits, so lets just leave that out of this thread if at all possible. Here is what would be cool to see:
Tommy Skpper: length poles for series and what flex?
Russ Buller: L and F
Scott Slover: L and F
Tye Harvey: L and F
Tim Mack: L and F
Justin Norberg: L and F
Jim Davis: L and F
Pat Manson: L and F
Jeff Hartwig: L and F
Brad Walker: L and F
Toby Stevenson: L and F
Kirt Hanna: L and F
Any others that might prove beneficial to my point would be great *winks* lol. It's important here to know that when I talk about length of series, I'm not asking for handgrip. Thanks

[Bruce Caldwell]

I agree BEAM and I was just answering the question from vault guru and left brands out of the post and was referring to length and flex.

Most vaulters jumping about this 570-580+ are on about the same stiffness sticks give or take .4 flex the length of the poles are differrent but most are not holding the top accept on good days. And 570+ vaults are on most of the major brand poles including ours.

[Decamouse]

Well put Beam - the FX in response to the fastback comment - which is a harder pole to roll over - you can make five poles with the exact same flex number but by varying the sail design, placement, body wrap, mandrel etc. - get all five to roll over different or take different amounts of energy to roll them over - Also Vaultguru ask about Scott and 5.30 poles - just answered what he got:

Listed are a few that I am aware of
Pavlov - 5.20 - series down to 11.0
Lobinger - 5.20 - same
Hartwig - 5.15's - some in 10's
Stevenson - 5.10's
Kristiansson - 5.10's

Also without knowing grip height it can be misleading - some like to grip near or at the top - some like to be down a few more inches -

But none of these guys would be classified as vertically challenged (short)

Problem is knowing what pole they used for a particular height - almost all are on 5m or longer -

And Bruce - you said you made it - Essx is your avatar - unless it was a Giant Jr. - it would be "Essx" - I think Spirt, Nordic or anyone else "could make a pole as long as you want - might have to buy special equipment - but why - until someone actual grips that high - say a 7' guy that can really run -

so maybe guys under 5'10" and pole length verus 6'2" -

[russvault]

Beam you are correct.
I have jumped 5.80 on anywhere from a 14.0-14.8 on 5 meter sticks and
5.80 on 13.8-14.6 5.10 poles. But i weigh 170-175lbs. 5'11"
I just found for myself at this point, I am more consistant on 5 meter sticks, but it is easier when you line it up right on a 5.10.
I totally agree Beam.

I know a couple of the guys you mentioned though, have a tough time trying to get on the higher grip. But if everyone could, they would get on huge poles, I agree with ya.

peace

[Bruce Caldwell]

Well put Beam - the FX in response to the fastback comment - which is a harder pole to roll over - you can make five poles with the exact same flex number but by varying the sail design, placement, body wrap, mandrel etc. - get all five to roll over different or take different amounts of energy to roll them over - Also Vaultguru ask about Scott and 5.30 poles - just answered what he got:

Listed are a few that I am aware of
Pavlov - 5.20 - series down to 11.0
Lobinger - 5.20 - same
Hartwig - 5.15's - some in 10's
Stevenson - 5.10's
Kristiansson - 5.10's

Also without knowing grip height it can be misleading - some like to grip near or at the top - some like to be down a few more inches -

But none of these guys would be classified as vertically challenged (short)

Problem is knowing what pole they used for a particular height - almost all are on 5m or longer -

And Bruce - you said you made it - Essx is your avatar - unless it was a Giant Jr. - it would be "Essx" - I think Spirt, Nordic or anyone else "could make a pole as long as you want - might have to buy special equipment - but why - until someone actual grips that high - say a 7' guy that can really run -

so maybe guys under 5'10" and pole length verus 6'2" -

Thanks for asking Jeff!
Yes I did Personally make the pole??

Avatar is Xlogic screen name is ESSX But I am listed as PV JUNKIE LOL Our Parent company name is Giant Jr Invesments Corp. HMMMM I guess you are correct again I made GIANT POLES under thier company name???Smiling

[Decamouse]

Thats great - the guys don't trust me with a sharp object - might hurt myself - - probably right - Maybe we can have a beer at the trials - discuss which beer is better -

[SkyHigh21]

VIktor Chistiokov. Practiuces on 5.30's holding down. COmpetes on 5.40's (Spirit makes em) He jumpes on the largest poles in the world. (probably because he is the biggest polevaulter in the world. 6'7" 225 last year. HEs kinda slowing now, funny thing is, he only jumped 5.95 on em. big poles tho. They weighed a ton