PVDaddy wrote: ... blah blah blah ... Please provide your previous post about this here on PVP were you get anywhere close to the detail I have provided? ... blah blah blah ...
I won't be doing this because you know full well exactly what I said - I don't need to prove it to you. It's here on this forum, yours to find. I can't be bothered to search for it - I have nothing to prove to you. And I didn't need to provide anywhere near the detail you did. Your detail was totally unnecessary, and way off-base. Just like any other elite vaulter in the ENTIRE fiberglass PV era, I FELT the power of extending off the end of the pole - no need to dissect it in meticulous (and erroneous) detail.
Even Charlie - who's been coaching and vaulting for far more years than I've been coaching and vaulting - by a long shot - "gets" the concept of shooting off the top of the pole "like an arrow"! And yes, adding energy to the vaulter/pole system. Charlie implies that it's the pole's energy doing most of the "shooting", but I think he understands that at the same time, the vaulter is adding
energy to the system.
Honestly, PVDaddy, it's not a difficult concept to comprehend. It's not much different than a trampolinist bouncing higher on each boucne - merely by EXTENDING his body each time the potential energy of the elasticized mat EXTENDS him skyward. In fact, this analogy is much closer to what's happening on the top half of a vault than any highbar analogy!
The problem with replying to your drivel and hyperbole, PVDaddy, is that you will just carry on with your crap, and you will continue to rant until we all just give up because you prefer to preach your drivel rather than to listen to reason.
Well, I've given up on you and your drivel long ago, but when you make stupid accusations against one of the most renowned PV coaches/biomechanics on the planet (PVStudent, aka John Gormley - yes, the same John Gormley that assisted Alan Lauder in writing BTB2), I feel compelled to bring some sanity to this thread - and to the entire Advanced Technique forum. However, I think most readers see right thru your drivel. There are strict PVP rules against personal attacks (your weapon of choice), but sadly there's apparently no PVP rules against drivel [sigh].
You are in way over your head, and you are worse than just a minor annoyance - you are misleading readers by your drivel and crap. And THEN you have the gall to suggest that PVStudent is the one that's way off base? Huh?
PVDaddy wrote: ... blah blah blah ... it is really sad that you place more emphasis on the the title that one chooses to place on the concept then the concept itself! ... blah blah blah ... I chose to describe this very integrated set of motions at the top of the swing I got that from Gymnastics vernacular used to describe how gymnast generate enormous energy going into and out of dismounts. ... blah blah blah ...
Huh? You originally claimed that you (supposedly) discovered that Bubka was doing a TAP at the TOP of his vault. Now that you've found Petrov's comment on this technique, you are backpedalling to say that your "tap" is exactly what Bubka was doing (as described by Petrov), and you're just using a different word to describe it? Huh? Gimme a break! You originally claimed that your IDEA was original - not just the name you gave to it.
Note: A TAP is a gymnastic move that has no relation to any vaulting move at the TOP of a vault. NONE! Bubka did NOT do a TAP at the top of his vault. He did exactly what Petrov described - no mention of a TAP, which is a distinctly different action than an EXTENSION. I seriously doubt that you even know what a tap is, let alone personally experiencing it on the highbar.
In fact, you may be confused on the difference between a KIP and a TAP. These are 2 distinctly different gymnastic actions, and I have seen vaulters (mostly tuck-shooters) KIP at the top of their vaults (Bubka wasn't one of them). Since you've never personally done a KIP or a TAP on a highbar, I doubt if you even understand what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what a tap is - as do most elite vaulters. You are confusing ACTIONS with NAMES of ACTIONS.
As to whether there's a TAP at the BOTTOM of the vault, I happen to believe that there's not one there either, and if I choose to debate this topic, I will debate it directly with Clymer and Eric - I certainly don't need you as a middle man to facilitate any discussion about this!
PVDaddy wrote: ... blah blah blah ... There are so many types of taps in gymnastics ... blah blah blah ... a tap is merely a way of generating energy into the swing from a arched or hollow position of the body (coil) whether swinging forward or backward and has evolved as a way to quickly accelerate the speed and power of the swing especially into release moves and dismounts!
There are many, many differences between the VAULTING gymnastic action and the various HIGHBAR gymnastic actions. Just naming the various types of highbar taps doesn't make you an expert on how they apply to the PV - it just shows that you've read some descriptions of various types of highbar taps on the internet (as if being able to enumerate them gives you expertise about them).
I'll bet you that you didn't find ONE - not ONE - description that explained how the EXTENSION action in the PV was like a TAP on the highbar. In fact, that seems to be your claim to fame - that you personally provided this missing link. You're wrong, PVDaddy, there is no such similarity between a highbar tap and a PV EXTENSION!
I'm hoping that this will be my last post on this topic, but if you say something really stupid in reply, I will probably feel compelled to clarify the matter - once again. [sigh]
Like Altius, I wish you would just go away, as you do more harm than good on this forum.