Measure Your Bars!!!

[mowad1]

Doesn't this sound a little fishy to you? I was there and it was legitimately short when measured. How can a rule supersede an actual measurement? Now you have kids thinking that they have jumped higher than actual even when it is obvious that the height was incorrect.

http://www.milesplit.com/article/4781
"Easton's Lindsey Regan has experienced a lot of things competing in the Pole Vault. But having two inches taken off, and then added back to a new PA state record definitely isn't one of them. Following an investigation of the events and a review of the rules by PTFCA Indoor Championships Meet Referee Ron Lopresti, the last height that Regan cleared will be the official mark -- 13-00. The results had listed the winning height at 12-10, following a manual measurement of bar after the bar had already been moved to 13-03 for what would be Regan's final three attempts of the meet. Regan believed she had cleared 13-00, but the event officials lowered the results to 12-10 after their review. Mistakingly, as it turns out.

Lopresti says the rule is quite explicit. A manual measurement cannot be made after the first competitor has made an attempt at a specific height. Regan had already cleared 13-00, and had made her attempts at the next height when the manual measurement of the bar was done. Lopresti says that the equipment at Penn State is electronic, and has been used for years, including for the Big 10 Championships, without incident. The Pole Vault results were not declared final within the first 48 hours after the event, and Lopresti began his investigation of the re-measurement and review of the rule Sunday morning. "She cleared 13-00, and that's the winning height."

Lost in the confusion is the fact that during the competition, three girls had bettered the existing Indoor state record of 12-06 set by Regan in 2004. Butler's Kendall Butch and Latrobe's Caitlin Hewitt each cleared 12-07, with Butch winning 2nd on misses.


Kendall Butch, Caitlin Hewitt and Lindsey Regan wait for the bar
to be raised after each broke Regan's 2004 record by clearing 12-07."

[Aviendha]

that really isn't fair...if it was 2 inches short on the 12-7 height, then those girls didn't really break that record, and it deserves to still be listed as Regans. *shakes head* rule books have to be so technical now because of annoying people who try to slip through the cracks that silly rules make it through.

[CLCPV04]

If you were there, you would have seen that the bar was never measured during the actual competition. I am glad to see the meet director straightened things out.

Lindsay took her three attempts at the 13-3 bar, and for some reason, after her third miss, Lance an "official" decided to put BACK up the bar himself and take a measurement. (Any official should know that a bar cannot be measured after a competior has already taken a vault)
The 13-3 bar was found to be short by approximately two inches. So, then, Lance made the deduction that perhaps the 13-0 bar was also off by two inches. What was really wierd was that 1. Measuring the bar was an afterthought, despite the "records" being broken and 2. that Lance seemed to only think one competitor's bar was off.

IF the 13-3 bar was infact short, who is to say that the 13-0 bar was also short? IF the 13-0 bar was short, why didnt Lance also then discount all previous vaults by 2 inches?

Bottom line: Lance should have treated all competitors equally. Either all bars should have been deducted two inches, or none.

[Bonevt]

Someone told me that Lance didn't move her standards when she told him to. Don't know that for a fact, I wasn't there...

[mowad1]

If the bar was short for one then yes the bar was short for all. The bar should have been measured before the attempts at a record height. Though it was not done, is it wrong to think that a standard rate of increase would be different for other heights? If it was off 2" at the end then it was off 2" throughout the competition. Hey, this isn't a murder case to prevent ex post facto, just a record that shouldn't be.

[mowad1]

OK, try this one on for size. Over the weekend two records were broken in the weight throw. One was the collegiate record and the other a world record. The implements for both athletes were measured to be legal before the competition and then found to be illegal after the record attempt. Are those still records? Definitely not. The throws were still legal for winning but not legal for records.

It was obvious that the high schooler broke the state record and won the competition, but not at 13'.

[CHC04Vault]

Rules are made to be followed, its quite clear that u are not to raise, lower or measure the height AFTER a jump is made. Hence, one the jump is that height stays and all jumps prior to that stand as what they were believe to be. The fact is the offical screwed up (which i find is the biggest problem in pole vaulting) and this should be used to make them more aware of the rules and how they should be followed.

[rainbowgirl28]

Here's a nice article about it... click on the link to see a few great pictures.

http://www.dyestat.com/3state/r1ne/5in/ ... /regan.htm

Lindsey Regan thought she had cleared 13-00 in the Pole Vault - then she hadn't - and now, she has. And it's a state record!

by Don Rich


Kendall Butch, Butler, Caitlin Hewitt, Latrobe, and Lindsey Regan, Easton, each broke the existing PA Indoor State Record of 12-06, which had been set by Regan in 2004. Butch and Hewitt cleared 12-07, while Regan set the new standard at 13-00.


There was a late measurement of the bar that turns out to be unauthorized, according to the rules - changing the official results from 12-10 for Lindsey Regan, to 13-00, the mark set on the electronic standards at Penn State.



Easton's Lindsey Regan has experienced a lot of things competing in the Pole Vault. But having two inches taken off, and then added back to a new PA state record definitely isn't one of them. Following an investigation of the events and a review of the rules by PTFCA Indoor Championships Meet Referee Ron Lopresti, the last height that Regan cleared will be the official mark -- 13-00. The results had listed the winning height at 12-10, following a manual measurement of bar after the bar had already been moved to 13-03 for what would be Regan's final three attempts of the meet. Regan believed she had cleared 13-00, but the event officials lowered the results to 12-10 after their review. Mistakingly, as it turns out.

Lopresti says the rule is quite explicit. A manual measurement cannot be made after the first competitor has made an attempt at a specific height. Regan had already cleared 13-00, and had made her attempts at the next height when the manual measurement of the bar was done. Lopresti says that the equipment at Penn State is electronic, and has been used for years, including for the Big 10 Championships, without incident. The Pole Vault results were not declared final within the first 48 hours after the event, and Lopresti began his investigation of the re-measurement and review of the rule Sunday morning. "She cleared 13-00, and that's the winning height."

Lost in the confusion is the fact that during the competition, three girls had bettered the existing Indoor state record of 12-06 set by Regan in 2004. Butler's Kendall Butch and Latrobe's Caitlin Hewitt each cleared 12-07, with Butch winning 2nd on misses.

"The important thing is to get it right," Lopresti said. "And now it is."