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Unread postby OUvaulterUSAF » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:34 pm

So I decided to pull out my 16' poles today which I haven't really jumped on in practice in about 7 years. After today, I may have to bust out the stiffer ones.

First jump:
Pole: 16'1" 19.5f
Grip: 15'3"
8 Lefts
Take-off: 14'
Height: 16'6"

Second jump:
Pole: 16'1" 18.6f
Grip: 15'4"
8 Lefts
Take-off: 13'6"
Height: 17'

Anyway, let me know what needs work.

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Unread postby polevaulter08nw » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:15 pm

not bad, though it does kind of look like you break you trail leg down alittle. Your take off looks pretty high! but i can't really see your last 5 m so i could tell either.
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Unread postby Barto » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:38 pm

I wouldn't be in such a hurry to go to a stiffer pole just yet. It looks to me like you are over gripping just a hair. Drop your grip about 3" on those poles and you will increase your pole speed enough to catch more of your swing. Try to jump 17' gripping 15' first. It looks to me like you can do it.

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Unread postby Vault Chick » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:58 pm

In my opinion, I think you can have a stronger knee drive, and a little more reverse C. You have a knee drive right at first, but then right away to drop it. I think you can drive it more/longer.
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Unread postby OUvaulterUSAF » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:35 pm

Barto wrote:I wouldn't be in such a hurry to go to a stiffer pole just yet. It looks to me like you are over gripping just a hair. Drop your grip about 3" on those poles and you will increase your pole speed enough to catch more of your swing. Try to jump 17' gripping 15' first. It looks to me like you can do it.


If I drop my grip the pole will move faster to vertical. For me I need a little more time to get inverted. Now are you telling me to do this to work on getting inverted quicker on a faster moving pole and then translate that to stiffer poles and a higher grip? or something else?
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Unread postby Barto » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:07 pm

OUvaulterUSAF wrote:
Barto wrote:I wouldn't be in such a hurry to go to a stiffer pole just yet. It looks to me like you are over gripping just a hair. Drop your grip about 3" on those poles and you will increase your pole speed enough to catch more of your swing. Try to jump 17' gripping 15' first. It looks to me like you can do it.


If I drop my grip the pole will move faster to vertical. For me I need a little more time to get inverted. Now are you telling me to do this to work on getting inverted quicker on a faster moving pole and then translate that to stiffer poles and a higher grip? or something else?


You need to swing faster. It is generally easier to do this by speeding up the pole and then trying to time your swing to the pole speed. Very few people can improve their swing on a soft slow pole.

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Unread postby OUvaulterUSAF » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:05 pm

Barto wrote:You need to swing faster. It is generally easier to do this by speeding up the pole and then trying to time your swing to the pole speed. Very few people can improve their swing on a soft slow pole.


Will do. Figured that's what you were getting at.
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Unread postby altius » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:52 am

The fundamental problem is the right leg immediately after take off. it drops passively instead of being driven forward and up with the shin leading. You lose in several ways 1. the passive right leg is one reason that what should be a WHIP, is merely a swing. 2. related to that, a double leg swing -which yours almost is , is also going to slow rotation into inversion and 3 - this is pretty subtle - if the shin is not punched FORWARD and up, you never get the separation been the thighs you need in order to maximise the pre stretch of the trail leg - in addition the timing is not as sweet as that leg moves forward -- look at Tarasov - all of this means that the trail leg is never as active as it could /should be.

Again take a look at Tarasov in this small but important aspect of the vault.

All of that said when you do get inverted it looks pretty good - it is just that you have missed the greater part of the recoil because of the slow swing - which also leaves you under the pole when it starts to pop! Getting there!! :idea: :yes:
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Unread postby KYLE ELLIS » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:53 pm

I agree with barto about the grip. I wouldn't drop it 3" right away because the pole will probably feel alot different. I would say work it down an inch at a time. From what i know when you over grip your pole will sink after you takeoff and you will have a "long" slow extension off the pole. When you went to the (18.6) pole it didnt sink as much, and you traveled towards the bar alot faster. I would say that day if you were griiping 15'0 on the 19.5, and 15'2 on the 18.6 you would see alot better swing and top end. You have to be pretty fast to takeoff as far out as you are doing, and if your not your going to see that pole sink and a slow top-end. But on the same note if you get into a meet feeling good (to were your speed and takeoff match your grip) and have a good day that grip may end up being perfect. So i would say do what you think will benefit you the most.
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Unread postby VTechVaulter » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:11 pm

yeah.. looks like u need a little less grip and a little more rise off the ground. one way to study this is to watch the top of the pole. watch the path it takes through the vault.. it should never drop. if it starts to come down. your losing a lot of good energy
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Unread postby OUvaulterUSAF » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:07 pm

I did a couple of short runs on a really soft pole, video below. Obviously I'm not going to get that pop off the top. I really tried to have a dynamic jump and drive my knee, then swing like the dickens after take-off.

Am I covering the pole enough? What can I improve on?

I think my 3rd jump is the best, I really got a free t/o.

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Unread postby jcoover » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:42 pm

seems like there's no separation between your lead knee and trail leg at takeoff... because of this, you cant get the whip of the trail leg... check out alan's video describing the whip swing on youtube... if your heel isnt driven back at takeoff, you can't swing hard through the bottom and cover the pole efficiently.
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