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Rusty Beginnings

Unread postby Tim McMichael » Mon May 07, 2007 9:52 am

Still really rusty around the edges, but this is my first real practice in a long time. Constructive criticism welcome.

http://www.treemo.com/users/tmcmicha/ch ... tem/75329/

Height 5'8"
Weight 148
Pole 14' 175 Essx
Bar 14'

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Unread postby theczar » Mon May 07, 2007 11:31 am

eveything looks real good! The only thing I notice is you flagged out a bit at the top....not much else can be said!

Good job, keep it up!

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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Mon May 07, 2007 2:05 pm

I think I flag out because, with my long drive and long swing, I have difficulty catching the timing of the pole. I am really happy with my takeoff, but I don't think I have enough velocity on my swing. The pole flattens out in the middle, and my hips don't rise up in time with the pole as it returns. The encouraging thing is that if I do catch the pole, I think I can find about eight more inches of push off. :D

Thanks for the analysis. You helped me focus on the relavent issue. :)

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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Mon May 07, 2007 2:29 pm

This is something else I am happy about. I seem to still be able to shape up the run like I used to. See how I get taller and taller as I come in to the takeoff? On my last step my left leg is amost perfectly straight as it impacts the runway. I don't think I can possibly reach higher with my right arm either. Here is what I wrote earlier about the technique for doing this, and I am jazzed that I can still do it. :D :D




I found that when I got as tall as possible while still being able to accelerate coming in to the plant a dynamic takeoff was easier to accomplish. I did this by pulling my abs in and my chest up and then slightly shortening my stride as I came in to the takeoff. This made me feel that my foot strike was more beneath me than in front. I was able to accelerate while doing this because as I got taller my turnover increased by more than enough to compensate for the slight decrease in stride length. I also inhaled as much as possible just before takeoff to spread my ribcage and gain a few more centimeters of reach. In my experience, if there is any slack in the body when the pole hits the back of the box, that slack must be taken out before the vaulter can leave the ground. This is an energy leak. The pole is bending and nothing positive is happening to the athlete. The pole and the vaulter become mistimed, the trail leg is short, and the swing is late, and all kinds of awful things result; anything from flagging out to coming up short.

This is different from the long jump takeoff in that there is no deliberate penultimate step. It is about getting tall and then driving in and up off of that tall position. The ideal feeling is that you get lighter and taller and faster coming in to takeoff till you are so fast and light and stretched out that all you have to do is push the ground away without giving up anything in terms of forward momentum.

I once asked Mike Connolly about this technique, and he told me that this was the only other way to do a world class long jump besides the conventional method of lowering the center of gravity in the penultimate step and then jumping up off of the board. He also said that it was very rare.

Don Hood once asked how it was that Joe Dial and I had plants as tall as Billy Olson when we were so much shorter. It was a trade secret at that time so we didn’t tell, but this is how we did it.

This was long before the days of the free takeoff, and Bubka was still a total mystery, so take it for what it is worth. I suppose you could call this a proto-free takeoff. We were on the right track, and I wonder how these ideas would fit in with modern theories

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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Mon May 07, 2007 8:21 pm

That sounds a lot like what you mentioned in your manifesto. What i notice is the huge take off considering your hieght, applied with your flexibility in an inverted C. Your swing isnt as fast as it probably once was, is that why you balled a little before connecting the pole, to catch up with the pole? Your jump reminds me a lot of a young man also 5'8 148 Ibs... who recently jumped 17'7 :P. I have the video of the 17'7, i will upload it soon so you can compare somewhat. The similarities i notice are a big take off and an extremely strong swing. Also slight balling up before connecting to the pole on top. However you seem a lot taller at take off, with a very good take off angle. I think thats probably attributed to what you are talking about above.
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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Mon May 07, 2007 8:44 pm

Got it! heres the 17'7"

http://www.treemo.com/users/jpelletier/ ... tem/75697/

Theres also the first attempt at 18' and im working on his 17'4. After that maybe ill work on my own jumps :P. Dont mind that Nike Indoor of mine, that seems like ages ago.
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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Mon May 07, 2007 9:07 pm

Wow, its definitely the same jump. His positions through the middle and top are nearly identical to places I used to get to. If anything, his trail leg is longer than mine. It's kind of uncanny.

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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Mon May 07, 2007 9:30 pm

I wasnt sure whether i was spitting in the wind with that comparison or not, but i guess im starting to see things in jumps a little better than i used to :P. I figured you two jumped a lot alike, considering you are the same body type, both very fast and agressive, and kind of a low attack angle compared to the taller vaulters. I noticed that when i first read your manifesto, because he also grips relatively low considering the hieghts he is jumping, and concentrates a ton of his energy in the swing it seems.
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Unread postby AvariceDemons » Tue May 08, 2007 10:51 pm

Good to see that youre startin to vault again. What made you decide to start again after so long? I was just watchin footage of you vaultin back in '93 and at a beach vault back in '90 I think.
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Unread postby newPVer » Tue May 08, 2007 11:07 pm

idk if it helps, but it looks like your looking down at take off. i try to look up and lead with the chest while jumping off the ground. but good looking jump other wise
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Unread postby Tim McMichael » Wed May 09, 2007 3:49 am

AvariceDemons wrote:Good to see that youre startin to vault again. What made you decide to start again after so long? I was just watchin footage of you vaultin back in '93 and at a beach vault back in '90 I think.


I never really stopped. Health issues and life issues kept me from training at the high levels necessary to stay in the game, but I still jumped at least once every few months. I kept learning and thinking.


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