Weird question...

[birdi_gurlie]

Ok, so I recently posted a topic about protein powder and a lot of people said "Muscle Milk" was the best...however, I looked at it online and a lot of reviews said it helped them burn fat...which I really DON'T need to do. [I'm a high-metabolism person...I need the tiny bit of fat on my body!] Now, I know that sounds kinda silly...but do you think that if I take that it'll burn that fat? [please don't be like "you're stupid, of course not." or etc...]

[KYLE ELLIS]

As far as i know probably not. But why are you wanting to take muscle milk? If you are eating to the point of were you feel full then i don't think you have to worry about going to low on the BF% scale. I may be wrong but I know you need fat to burn fat and when you build more muscle you also burn fat quicker, so if you are wanting to build muscle i think this would happen whether you took muscle milk or not.

[birdi_gurlie]

I have a very small appetite...and I do eat until I feel full. But I need a way to have more protein because I just have a small stomach. [I'm not underweight...I'm just low on the ok-weight scale] And my body burns fat really quickly...seriously. I mean, while a lot of people gain a lot of weight if they don't eat semi-healthily, I can eat all the junk food I want and not gain a pound. I'm trying to gain muscle because I am currently extremely non-muscular and in order to vault higher, I need more muscle.

[KYLE ELLIS]

I don't know if gaining more muscle will make you polevault higher or not, it could be a possiblility. You only need 50grams of protien a day, that should be suffecient. If you want to build muscle I would suggest hypertrophy type lifting (8-12 reps@ 70-85% / 3-4 sets with last going to failure.) I couldn't find the exact numbers in "supertraining" but I know those are close. Increasing muscle mass does not exactly mean improvement in strength, it means you will have a higher "absolute strength" which is different from actual strength. But if you do the last till failure you should be increasing both musclemass and strength defecit. I would recommend if you can drinking your muscle milk as soon after your workout as possible (within 30minutes) this should help with both muscle recovery and muscle building. If you just start taking excess amount of protien without working out you won't build muscle, you will just store it as fat or in your case burn it off. I have never taken muscle milk, but i have used creatine and PB&J sandwhiches right after workouts.

[KYLE ELLIS]

Oh yeah by the way it has been scientifically proven that you won't go through hypertrophy (building muscle) in the first two weeks, but you can increase strength due to increased motor patterns and the CNS. Alot of strength improvement comes from an adapting nervous system.

[VaultPurple]

looked at it online and a lot of reviews said it helped them burn fat...

This is because to an extent muscle milk, boost, slimfast and all those shakes are basicaly the same just depending on diffrent ammounts of carbs fat and protein.

The diffrence is what they advertise for. If you can eat like you usualy do and drink one of those also, if you want to lose weight you replace a meal with one of the shakes.

But for someone that is too small it is an advantage in pole vault to gain muscle, you see this tranformation a lot when high school seniors start vaulting in college and hit the weights and have big body transformations. I read that Jeff Hartwig was 6'3 and really skinny his senior year of high school and only jumping about 14', but through out college he put on a lot more muscle and that helped his jumping alot.

I mean u dont want to look like one of those professional body builders or anything, but someone with a kenyan 10K body aint going to have as much success at vaulting as a NFL wide receiver.

[powerplant42]

Let's remind ourselves that it is impossible to get rid of fat cells naturally... You can't 'burn' fat, you can only reverse the hypertrophy, NOT the hyperplasia.

On to the main discussion. Supplementation with a product like Muscle Milk is going to help to lower body fat content (which is good) and to build muscle (also good). I'm not going to get into the whole 'what kind of lifting' discussion, because I've already done that twice quite recently:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15585
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15487

It all just comes down to this: train for POWER (SPEED x STRENGTH), and what happens to your body happens. There is no need to debate about what will happen, because unless you're DNA is screwed up in the 'muscle' genes, it's simple science and talked about in the posts above.

Why would NOT getting stronger be advantageous to a vaulter? That's crazy! I can understand a vaulter not wanting to be elligible to win Mr. Olympia or whatever, but you're not going to get there anyway. Just LIFT!!! And use the supplementation if you want to do just that: supplement your lifting.

[rainbowgirl28]

Ok, so I recently posted a topic about protein powder and a lot of people said "Muscle Milk" was the best...however, I looked at it online and a lot of reviews said it helped them burn fat...which I really DON'T need to do. [I'm a high-metabolism person...I need the tiny bit of fat on my body!] Now, I know that sounds kinda silly...but do you think that if I take that it'll burn that fat? [please don't be like "you're stupid, of course not." or etc...]

You probably don't need to waste a lot of money on supplements. It sounds like eating more in one sitting doesn't agree with you much, so you should focus on eating more often. If you're a busy person who is always on the go, I would take things with you like bars, bagels, sandwiches, etc. Protein shakes can be a nice supplement, but eating a turkey sandwich will do you as much good. If money is not an issue, focus on finding stuff you like and going with that. If you normally just eat cereal for breakfast, try taking a little extra time and making some eggs and toast or pancakes or whatever.

[KYLE ELLIS]

Let's remind ourselves that it is impossible to get rid of fat cells naturally... You can't 'burn' fat, you can only reverse the hypertrophy, NOT the hyperplasia.

On to the main discussion. Supplementation with a product like Muscle Milk is going to help to lower body fat content (which is good) and to build muscle (also good). I'm not going to get into the whole 'what kind of lifting' discussion, because I've already done that twice quite recently:

http://www.polevaultpower.com/forum/vie ... 30&t=15585
http://www.polevaultpower.com/forum/vie ... 30&t=15487

It all just comes down to this: train for POWER (SPEED x STRENGTH), and what happens to your body happens. There is no need to debate about what will happen, because unless you're DNA is screwed up in the 'muscle' genes, it's simple science and talked about in the posts above.

Why would NOT getting stronger be advantageous to a vaulter? That's crazy! I can understand a vaulter not wanting to be elligible to win Mr. Olympia or whatever, but you're not going to get there anyway. Just LIFT!!! And use the supplementation if you want to do just that: supplement your lifting.

Powerplant42 I am starting to get the idea that you do not know what you are talking about! To me it sounds like you know bits and peices of information but not the whole story. Yes you are correct that you can't get rid of fat cells BUT you can burn fat!!! How else do you lower your body fat%??? You do use fat as a source of energy just like carbohydrates. And reverse hypertrphy (which is known as atrophy) which happens to people who lose muscle because of extremely bad eating habits, their body is not recieving proper nutrients including protien so their body starts using the protien from their muscles which leads to muscle loss. This only happens with extreme poor dieting.

"You can't 'burn' fat, you can only reverse the hypertrophy, NOT the hyperplasia." I have no idea what you mean by this, maybe you are confused on what these two words mean. Hypertrophy is increasing muscle size by means such as increasing cell size, mitochondria etc... Hyperplasia is not scientifically proven, it is only a theory. However i do believe in the theory. Hyerplasia basically is muscle growth through generation new muscle fibers were the micro tears occur.

And as far as getting stronger, yes it can help. But at a certain point it can hinder (i don't think anyone on this forum would have to worry about that) Probably everyone on this board needs to get stronger. But I will use myself as an example i can squat 350lbs, but i would probably ge worse if i could squat 500lbs. This has to do with they rate of force specific to the event. This is something dr. verkochansky (sp?) talks about in his book supertraining, which is considered the bible of strength training.

All i am trying to say is focus more on speed, technique, and jumping ability. If you put your main focus on the weight room you may be dissapointed. Absolute Squat strength has no direct correlation with sprint speed or vertical jumps. Nor does any lift.

[powerplant42]

YOU CAN ONLY MAKE FAT CELLS SMALLER! YOU CAN NOT GET RID OF ONES THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY GROWN. This is what I'm saying, and I don't believe I've said anything else... When people say 'burn fat', they usually mean get rid of the fat, not make it 'smaller'. This is getting rather off topic anyway.

All i am trying to say is focus more on speed, technique, and jumping ability. If you put your main focus on the weight room you may be dissapointed. Absolute Squat strength has no direct correlation with sprint speed or vertical jumps. Nor does any lift.

When did I say that you should spend most of your time in the weight room? 90% of it should be out on the track and on the highbar! Stop misconstruing my statements, PLEASE. Don't create an argument where there isn't one.

[nitro]

eat a peanut butter sandwich and drink a glass of milk right before you go to bed EVERY day and you will gain some weight

[Todd Haire]

First of all,"Muscle Milk" is one of many brand names for nutritional supplements. A good protien powder is one that mixes well and tastes good. They come in a variety of flavors. They won't do you any good if you dont drink them. Whey and egg powders are generally considered the best quality. Twenty grams of protien per one hundred caloris is pretty much the industry standard. Two brands that I like are Optimum Nutrition (ON) and Isopure.Go to the library and get an education on
protien,fat ,carbs and muscle. Then you can make an informed decision.

A few other points:
1) I would not consider nutritional supplements as a "waste of money".Protien powder is a good way to provide your body with amino acids which are the basic building blocks of muscle.Like any other purchase,you can always look for sales or bargains and you "get what you pay for". If something is helping you achieve your goals,then you should decide on it's relative value.You would need to eat alot of eggs or peanut butter to get the protien you get in one scoop of quality powder.

2)Burning more calories than you consume is how lose fat. Muscle wieghs more than fat,true, but in pole vaulting excess body fat or wieght is not desireable. If your body does not need the additional protien,then it is stored as fat,to be used as energy later.



3)When lifting for strength,5-8 repetitions per set should yield better results than higher repetitions. Increasing the demands on your muscles is how you develop strength and power. That is why it is sometimes referred to as "progressive resistance training". Hope that helps.