A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Got something for sale? Looking to buy something? Post it here, but make sure to read the rules first!

Moderator: rainbowgirl28

User avatar
Bruce Caldwell
PV Enthusiast
Posts: 1783
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:19 pm
Expertise: It is all about Pole Vaulting. I even catch the competitors poles!
Lifetime Best: 15'8"
Favorite Vaulter: Kjell Issakson, Jan Johnson
Location: DFW TEXAS
Contact:

A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby Bruce Caldwell » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:34 am

"A Pole is a Pole is a Pole!"

Let me first tell you anyone who tells you that does not know what they are talking about!
All vaulting poles are built similar but not the same.
Lets talk about poles;
All poles are cured in an autoclave oven some at high Pressure and others at lower pressure with a cellophane tape.
All poles are made with a design to provide hoop strength!
The first layer of glass provides the pole with strand or several strands of glass wrapped around the pole thus the strength is in the direction an angle to provide hoop.
Pole A: Uses cloth turned 90 degrees in 50" sections butted up to each other up and down the pole as 2-3 pieces.
Pole G: uses Tape at an angle continuously the length of the pole. 55% to hoop 45% to Stiffness
Pole U: uses uni glass running continuously the length of the pole. 80% to hoop 20% to stiffness
Pole N: uses uni glass running continuously the length of the pole. 80% to hoop 20% to stiffness
POLE X: uses a special weave of fabric that provides 90% strength to the hoop and 10% strength to the stiffness.

All poles have a body wrap to strengthen the stiffness of the whole pole;
This layer is the body of the pole.
Pole A: Uses 4 wraps to the body.
Pole G: Uses 3 wraps to the body.
Pole U: Uses 3 wraps to the body.
Pole N: Have not seen enough poles to voice an opinion.
Pole X: Uses 3 wraps to the body 2 1/2 wraps on carbon models.

All poles use a sail wrap on their poles.
The sail provides additional stiffness to the pole and controls the way the pole bends and stores energy.
Pole A: uses a smaller sail making the pole body dominate.
Pole G: Uses a sail that comes in standard widths but varies in the width of the short sides of the sail to determine stiffness, thus lengthening and shortening the angles of the sail on various Mandrel sizes and weights.
Pole U: Uses a sail that comes in standard widths but varies in the width of the short sides of the sail to determine stiffness, thus lengthening and shortening the angles of the sail on various Mandrel sizes and weights.
Pole N: Have not seen enough poles to voice an opinion. However if they use any attributes of the old browning skypole designs and systems the sail is a consistent width, thus lengthening and shortening the angles of the sail on various Mandrel sizes and weights.
Pole X: Uses a sail wrap that has a calculated width based on the other 2 wraps to balance the pole and never allow it to be Sail dominate ( keeping it from bending too low) and Never body dominate (keeping it from acting like a training pole and allowing energy to roll up the pole smoothly).

Carbon not on all the brands.
Pole A: Does not have carbon technology!
Pole G: Uses Carbon technology in parts of its line.
Pole U: Does not believe in Carbon Poles.
Pole N: Has just developed Carbon Technology.
Pole X: Has taken Carbon Technology to poles 13' on up using more carbon on their poles than any of the other brands.

Pole A: Ships in a cardboard tube with a rubber pole tip.
Pole G: Ships in a cardboard tube with a very good standard pole tip.
Pole U: Ships in a cardboard tube with a very good standard pole tip.
Pole N: Ships only in Europe in PVC tubes and a plastic/vinyl pole tip.
Pole X: Ships in a PC tube for protection and provide a 1 year guaranteed pole tip with Engineering to help and provide the means to jump higher!

Pole A: Has a wide range between weights sizes making it difficult to move from one pole to the next in its progression!
Pole G: Uses standard width of sail that creates smooth transition from one length to the next but not between Mandrel sizes.
Pole U: Uses standard width of sail that creates smooth transition from one length to the next but not between Mandrel sizes.
Pole N: I have not seen enough poles to make or form an opinion at this time other than their flex chart and poles are very stiff rated.
Pole X: We have a system called "SMART PROGRESSION". All poles we sell are designed with this engineering system to insure and provide a smooth transition from one size to the next allowing you to concentrate on continued jumping with the same style and timing as the previous pole, rather than having to change your timing as required by other brands.
Smart progression also allow you the confidence to order poles without the fear of duplicate poles in your line. We do not round up our sizes they are true and never crossover in sizes. This means you do not have to worry about flex numbers.
We are the only pole that provides you a "SMART LABEL" on the pole telling you the flex comparisons to other brands and the progression size need for an upgrade.
PRICES
Pole X: Our poles are priced moderately as that of Pole G, U, and N and a little more than pole A in our Carbon models.

This might be the time to tell you about something new we have invented!
ESSX ECONOMY PREP STARTER POLE
A less costly secret manufacturing process that provide a pole that meets all the NFHS rules and is a legal vaulting pole.
POLE P: Is a less expensive way to start your beginning vaulters off. Made with the use of the "ESSX SMART PROGRESSION SYSTEM" Poles are a direct transition to hi performance poles without the stalling danger found in moving from other PREP poles to regular poles of other brands. Other words our Prep Starter poles is accurately rated properly.
Available in starter packs
In these sizes only:
10'8"-140 lbs.
11' 0"-125 lbs.
11' 6"-110 lbs.
12' 0"-100 lbs.
12' 4"- 96.8 lbs.

more sizes in the future (Dec 1st 2008)
11'0"-135 lbs.
11'6"-135 lbs.
12' 0"- 120 lbs.
12'4"- 110 lbs.
Buy any 4 poles $ 900.00 includes freight
Buy any 6 poles $ 1,300.00 includes freight
Buy any 9 poles $1,900.00 includes freight

Contact your local dealer to place an order
or contact XLOGIC SPORTS bruce@officialessx.com
http://www.officialessx.com

We care about better performance and jumping higher!
Statements and opinions in this post are by Bruce Caldwell and based on 35 years of research and development of vaulting poles.

VTechVaulter
PV Lover
Posts: 1312
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:00 pm
Expertise: Current Elite Vaulter, College Volunteer Coach, HUGE FAN

Re: A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby VTechVaulter » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:24 pm

What are the highest jumps on each type?

Men
Pole A - 5.40m (spencer mccorkel)
Pole G - 6.05m (although there is arguments that Pole U was manufacturing poles based on design from engineers who worked for pole G) (tarasov, markov)
Pole U - 6.15m (bubka)
Pole N - Im not 100 percent sure on this one, was brits on pole N when he jumped 6.03?
Pole X - again not 100 percent . i believe this belongs to jim davis at 5.7x?

Women
Pole A - 4.25m (Shayde Weygandt)
Pole G - 4.75m (Yulina G)
Pole U - 5.05m (Isi)
Pole N - 4.40m
Pole X - 4.75? (jill right?) however there have been a bunch of 4.60+ girl using pole x

i would be curious to hear decamouse describe the various pole builds. i know they have reverse engineered hundreds of poles up there
Brian Mondschein
Philadelphia Jumps Club, Coach and Co-Founder
www.phillyjumpsclub.com

Vaultiletics
PV Nerd
Posts: 75
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:41 pm
Location: On the Web
Contact:

Re: A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby Vaultiletics » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:20 am

I would be interested in a top 5 or top 10 on each brand b/c there are just not very many Bubkas or Isi's out there...

It may be hard to find some for a couple of brands... And I think we all know that A= ALTIUS AND G= GILL, U=UCS, ETC... Unless there is a secret going around why does this post not use the names?

Oh and I may be wrong, but as I hear, Steve Chappell was with "Gill" before he ventured out and Created UCS, So it could very well be that pole "G" are really pole "U"'s design, NOt pole "U" designed from pole "G".

Steve made great poles then and now no matter where or with who he made them for... just a thought!

VTechVaulter
PV Lover
Posts: 1312
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:00 pm
Expertise: Current Elite Vaulter, College Volunteer Coach, HUGE FAN

Re: A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby VTechVaulter » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:53 am

Vaultiletics wrote:I would be interested in a top 5 or top 10 on each brand b/c there are just not very many Bubkas or Isi's out there...

It may be hard to find some for a couple of brands... And I think we all know that A= ALTIUS AND G= GILL, U=UCS, ETC... Unless there is a secret going around why does this post not use the names?

Oh and I may be wrong, but as I hear, Steve Chappell was with "Gill" before he ventured out and Created UCS, So it could very well be that pole "G" are really pole "U"'s design, NOt pole "U" designed from pole "G".

Steve made great poles then and now no matter where or with who he made them for... just a thought!



Top jumps on each pole
S - 6.15 bubka, 6.05 markov, 6.04 walker, 601 mack, 6.00 ecker galfione
G - 6.05 tarasov, 6.03 hartwig, 602 Gataulin, 6.01 Lukyanenko, 600 hooker lobinger burgess stevenson
N - 603 brits

and also.. if chappel was with gill and they built a pole... and then he creates UCS and takes the same pole design.. it was still a gill design first.. the first spirit poles were the same design as pacer was making with new labels
Brian Mondschein
Philadelphia Jumps Club, Coach and Co-Founder
www.phillyjumpsclub.com

User avatar
lonestar
PV Lover
Posts: 1475
Joined: Sat Oct 12, 2002 12:23 am
Location: New Braunfels, TX
Contact:

Re: A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby lonestar » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:53 am

Could be wrong, but the way I understand it...

Steve Chappell worked for Pacer, building Pacer III's under George Moore and Herb Jenks in Carson City, Nevada.

The Pacer name and design was purchased by Gill and manufacturing moved to Urbana, Illinois.

Steve founded UCS Spirit in Carson City, Nevada, and built a new pole based on similar engineering of the Pacer III, but with a different spin wrap instead of spiral wrap. Early Spirits were not liked by some elite vaulters, so they were redesigned more like the Pacer III, but with better material, making better pre-bends, lighter poles, on thinner mandrels.
Any scientist who can't explain to an eight-year-old what he is doing is a charlatan. K Vonnegut

User avatar
achtungpv
PV Rock Star
Posts: 2359
Joined: Thu Oct 17, 2002 2:34 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby achtungpv » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:59 pm

VTechVaulter wrote:Top jumps on each pole
S - 6.15 bubka, 6.05 markov, 6.04 walker, 601 mack, 6.00 ecker galfione
G - 6.05 tarasov, 6.03 hartwig, 602 Gataulin, 6.01 Lukyanenko, 600 hooker lobinger burgess stevenson
N - 603 brits


Brit's 6.03 was on a Spirit. Galfione's 6.00 on a Nordic. I think Harvey may have been on an ESSX when he jumped 5.81 in '04.

Lobinger jumped 6.00 on Pacer, Spirit, AND Nordic...pretty much demonstrating the pole brand is the least important component of a vault.
"You have some interesting coaching theories that seem to have little potential."

User avatar
altius
PV Rock Star
Posts: 2425
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:27 am
Location: adelaide, australia
Contact:

Re: A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby altius » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:53 am

"Steve Chappell worked for Pacer, building Pacer III's under George Moore and Herb Jenks in Carson City, Nevada.

The Pacer name and design was purchased by Gill and manufacturing moved to Urbana, Illinois."

Absolutely correct and note that Herb Jenks was a genius! Steve never worked for Gill. They offered him the chance to move to Urbana but for family reasons he did not want to leave the west coast, Fortunately Mama Swartz recognised a professional when she saw one in Steve and encouraged UCS to set him up with a new factory - to produce Spirit poles - in Carson City.

My first comment on poles is that the vaulter needs durability and consistency above all. My second is that it does not matter what pole a vaulter uses if they have an inefficient technical model - Brits could have jumped 6.20 plus on any of the poles mentioned -- if he had not vaulted like a badly coached 16 year old.
Its what you learn after you know it all that counts. John Wooden

User avatar
Bruce Caldwell
PV Enthusiast
Posts: 1783
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:19 pm
Expertise: It is all about Pole Vaulting. I even catch the competitors poles!
Lifetime Best: 15'8"
Favorite Vaulter: Kjell Issakson, Jan Johnson
Location: DFW TEXAS
Contact:

Re: A POLE IS A POLE IS A POLE "NOT"

Unread postby Bruce Caldwell » Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:40 am

LOTS of good input here thanks members info is always KING!
clarification;
Design of ESSX is like fibersport but lighter
with new manufacturing tools used.
Manufactured unlike any other pole!
The process we use is without steam as used by all the other brands
Why the code?
To eliminate writers cramp and to not indulge on trademark rights of brand names!

Brand X design was in the sky pole made for EARL Bell in 1976 for his WORLD RECORD 18' 7
Was in the Fibersport Pole used by Earl Bell in 1977 for 18'4" best in the World Jumps.
Was in poles made for Billy Olsen and his first 18" jumps.
Kozakiewcz for his 3 World Records and his GOLD Medal 1980 Olympics. 18'11 1/2"
Design used for the TYE Harvey 19' jumps to get 4th in the trials but not make the Olympic team.
Design used by Kelly Suttle, Tracy O'Hara, Jillian Swartz, Andrea Pickens, Daniel Ryland, Jin Davis, Bubba Mclean,
This is the same concept and design use din all the poles used by High school and college athletes across the nation in the normal line we produce.
However I will admit that many athletes today can jump high on the right stiffness telephone pole.
Timing, Consistency, vaultability, and availability is why many choose ESSX today!
Bruce


Return to “Sales Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests