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Unread postby roger/over » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:46 pm

I've just been doing an update on my file of young female vaulters. That's mainly because of the recent exploits of Greece's Katerina Stefanídi. On 29 January, six days before her fifteenth birthday, she vaulted 4.15 at Athína to displace Germany's Lisa Ryshich's 4.10 as the best mark for age 14. Nine days after her birthday, she cleared 4.20 at Piréas to displace France's Amandine Homo's age 15 best of 4.05m.

Also, Vicky Parnov of Australia, who holds the age 12 best of 3.60 from 2003, improved her PB to 3.90 in 2004 to join Annu Mäkeä of Finland and Stefanídi at that height as the best of the of the 13-year-olds.

Curious about what Mirko Jalava's world lists <tilastopaja.net> would show of similarly precocious performances by boys, I was surprised to find no athletes listed who were younger than sixteen. That may only be an artifact of a lower standard of expectation for the girls, and that a consequence of the relatively recent emergence of the women's vault as a recognized discipline and the smaller number of women competing.

The threshold for inclusion of women in Jalava's deep lists is 3.60m (11'9 1/2") and 754 women attained that height in 2004. The threshold for men is 5.00m (16'4 3/4") and 539 men attained that height in 2004. Given the greater number of men participating in the event, it seems likely that the women's threshold will soon need a further raise. The women were first included in 1999 at 3.30m. That was raised to 3.40 in 1998, to 3.50 in 2001, and to its present 3.60 in 2003. The number of men reaching 5.00 has remained constant at around 500 since 1999, with a slight increase in Olympic years.

Anyway, what I did find for the boys was four vaulters reaching five meters at age 16. The youngest of those was Vladislav Revenko (UKR), who cleared 5.00 in December 2000 just a month after his birthday. The greatest height by a sixteen-year old was 5.30 by Ruslan Shturkhalyov (UKR) at the same 2001 meet where Revenko improved to 5.20m. The other two 16-year-olds to make the world list were Tommy Skipper (USA) at 5.10 and Go Kishita (JPN) at 5.00, both also in 2001.

Interesting question: Even if 5.00 is a very difficult challenge for 16-year-old vaulters, why would four athletes clear that height in 2001 and none since?

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Stefani, Again!

Unread postby roger/over » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:26 pm

I'm going to need a faster computer. Before I could download my earlier message about young vaulters, Michalis Nikitaridis sent this update:

Less than one hour ago Stefanidi cleared 4.25m to improve her personal best and then attempted without success for a world indoor youth record at 4.35m. It was at the Balkan Games, held today in Peania. Tania Koleva - Stepanova won the competition with a national record of 4.50m.

In the same meeting, Kostas Filippidis won the men's event with 5.50m and then attempted for the world juniors' indoor record at 4.67m also without success. But two of his jumps were so close ...

The results are published at www.athletix.org

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Re: 16 yr olds vaulting 5m.

Unread postby Carolina Extreme » Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:22 am

Roger, My son Chase Shealy vaulted 16' 7" (5.05m) as a 16 year old in 2002. Someone else must have done it too, otherwise his jump would have been #1 in the world for 16 yr olds that yr, which I doubt. Because there are always a few really high world junior guys each yr. Unless none were 16 yr olds when they did it. I would love to confirm either way though. :D
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Young Vaulters--Oops!

Unread postby roger/over » Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:35 pm

When I sent this yesterday, I asked, "Interesting question: Even if 5.00 is a very difficult challenge for 16-year-old vaulters, why would four athletes clear that height in 2001 and none since?"

A (mercifully) off-list reply today provides a very good answer: sloppy research. Michel Saint-Raymond found these 15- and 16-year-old five-meter vaulters that I somehow missed:

5.32 Germán Chiaraviglio ARG 16 04 1987 Mar del Plata 02 11 2003
5.30 Denis Fedas UKR 12 12 1985 1 Kiev 21 05 2002 (5.15 - 01-06-2002?)
5.22 Konstadínos Filippídis GRE 26 11 1986 2 Trikala 14 06 2003
5.20 Denis Fedas UKR 12 12 1985 2 Belaya Tserkov 29 06 2001
5.20 Yansheng Yang CHN 05 01 1989 5 Shijiazhuang 21 05 2004 (IAAF lists)
5.11 Albert Vélez ESP 26 10 1988 5 Almería 01 08 2004
5.10 Yoshihiro Asano JPN 21 12 1985 1 Nara 10 03 2002 (29-06-2002?)
5.00 Mihaíl Pástos GRE 05 10 1986 Kastoriá 29 06 2003
5.00 Yevgeniy Ageyev RUS 12 02 1988 Krasnodar 24 05 2004

Sorry about that. Maybe my best course it to stick with female vaulters and use the center section of my tri-focals.

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Rusty Shealy's question about why Chase isn't shown reveals another kind of problem in relying on annual lists for this information. Jalava's 2002 list shows Chase Shealy's best as 5.08m on 11 May--two days after his 17th birthday. That he did 5.05 earlier in that year wouldn't be shown on the deep list, which only gives the best height for the season, or on the Under-20 all-performances list, which ends at 5.20.

Sorry, again, but this time the data just wasn't available.

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Unread postby achtungpv » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:05 pm

you're forgetting the recordholder Jacob Davis 17'6" at 15 & 17'3" at 16.
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Unread postby Carolina Extreme » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:58 pm

Very interesting data. Roger you make us think and strive for our vaulters to be on the list's. Keep up the great work.

Jacob Davis, now there is a name we should never forget when we talk about great young vaulters. Jumping your age is a very rare feat. Jacob jumped his age + 2ft. Has anyone else ever done it? I bet ACHTUNGPV knows. :D
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Re: Young Vaulters--Oops!

Unread postby Carolina Extreme » Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:10 pm

Roger Ruth wrote:
5.32 Germán Chiaraviglio ARG 16 04 1987 Mar del Plata 02 11 2003
5.30 Denis Fedas UKR 12 12 1985 1 Kiev 21 05 2002 (5.15 - 01-06-2002?)
5.22 Konstadínos Filippídis GRE 26 11 1986 2 Trikala 14 06 2003
5.20 Denis Fedas UKR 12 12 1985 2 Belaya Tserkov 29 06 2001
5.20 Yansheng Yang CHN 05 01 1989 5 Shijiazhuang 21 05 2004 (IAAF lists)
5.11 Albert Vélez ESP 26 10 1988 5 Almería 01 08 2004
5.10 Yoshihiro Asano JPN 21 12 1985 1 Nara 10 03 2002 (29-06-2002?)
5.00 Mihaíl Pástos GRE 05 10 1986 Kastoriá 29 06 2003
5.00 Yevgeniy Ageyev RUS 12 02 1988 Krasnodar 24 05 2004


Roger,

My melon's cooked after coaching vaulters from 12:45 to after 8:00 PM this evening. I can't think skrate enough to do the sifer'n. :o Of the 5m guys above, how old was each of them when they jumped their marks? In particular, of the ones in 2002, when Chase jumped his 5.05m where would it have placed him in regards to world sixteen yr olds that yr?... #3??
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2002 Rankings

Unread postby roger/over » Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:47 pm

Carolina Extreme asked where Chase Shealy ranked among 16-year-old vaulters in 2002.

I understand that Chase vaulted 5.05m before his 17th birthday in 2002, with 5.08 his best for the year, but two days after he became 17. With that in mind, I have the 16-year-old bests for 2002 as:

1 Denis Fedas (UKR) 12.12.85 5.30m on 21 May 2002

2 Benjamin Renaudeau (FRA) 24.7.85 5.11 on 14 April 2002

3 Chase Shealy (USA) 9.5.85 5.05 (date?) 2002

4 Sergey Kucheryanov (RUS) 30.6.85 5.00 on 18 June 2002

5 Yoshihiro Asano (JPN) 21.12.85 5.00 on 29 June 2002

(Asano had a better vault--5.10--as a 16-year-old, but it was an indoor mark--10 March 2002--and I have not included those in my other summaries.)

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Unread postby rizlab » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:31 am

If you push an athlete hard enough Im sure you could get a 16 year old lad to do 5m, theres was a great vaulter in England called Christian linskey who did 4.90 at 14 or 15 i believe. Due to teenage growth etc, his body was unable to cope withe constant strain on his back etc. and he is crippled i believe. All these vaulters that did 5m at 16, where are they now? how much have they improved since then? my point exactly.
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Unread postby bvpv07 » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:07 pm

rizlab wrote:If you push an athlete hard enough Im sure you could get a 16 year old lad to do 5m, theres was a great vaulter in England called Christian linskey who did 4.90 at 14 or 15 i believe. Due to teenage growth etc, his body was unable to cope withe constant strain on his back etc. and he is crippled i believe.


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Unread postby PaulVaulter » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:46 am

Christian Linskey is not crippled.

He was injured for a long time and I believe he had an operation, but he was vaulting in the British League matches last year.

Another point of note is that his style of vaulting was very stressful on the lower back, not the Petrov/Bubka model, and I think that had more to do with it than just growing. I think he was over 6 foot tall by about 15 anyway.
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