willrieffer wrote:You have to work on reaching the trail leg back more before kicking into the swing ...
Is this fact? Has reaching the trail leg back been published, endorsed or theorized by any credible expert? Has Petrov, Parnov, or Botcharnicov ever used this. I think not. They have said to point the toe down, but not "reach the trail leg back".
GV, the problem is that you're trying to learn how to coach PV by reading a book. I would say this is
fact, because I've lived it. No, I didn't read it in a book - I invented
it! In 1970-71! I don't mind if you don't consider me a credible expert, but I can say that I cleared 8" under the WR at the time with this technique. If you research my "Bryde Bend
" posts, you will find that I've thoroughly documented this technique on PVP.
KirkB wrote:Reaching the trail leg back is an ACTIVE motion - it's not just a PAUSE in the stretch position. According to Agapit's Theory of Continuous Motion, you MUST always stay ACTIVE - no PASSIVE vault parts!
I cannot find anywhere in the Continuous Chain that it says to "reach the trail leg BACK". But Agapit does say not to push he chest through the shoulders.
Agapit's Theory of Continuous Motion
doesn't get into specifics about how
to stay ACTIVE through all vault parts - it just states that there must not be any PASSIVE inactions.
Don't confuse Agapit's Theory of Continuous Motion
paper with his 640 Model
. They were written at least 10 years apart, and I have never advocated the 640 Model
(in fact, I've challenged it). In his 640 Model
, Agapit advocates immediately swinging after takeoff (no stretch). I honestly don't understand how that might be beneficial, except in theory.
As Willrieffer and Roark explained, the stretch (aka travel or transit) part of the vault is essential to landing safely in the pit with standards all the way back. You just have to be careful not to delay your swing by stretching for too long - just a split second is enough (like Kjell Isaksson, but maybe a bit
more of a stretch).
grandevaulter wrote: Borgess allows the knee to bend similar to Tarasov to add energy into the whip kick. Are you advocating this now Kirk?
No, I'm not
advocating bending the trail leg knee "to add energy into the whip kick
". I actually consider that to be inefficient, compared to keeping the trail leg straight. Yes, this is different than what Altius advocates. No, I don't care what he advocates or what Borgess does or did.
grandevaulter wrote: I do not remember the bent knee whip kick but do remember the penetrating chest being part of the "Bryde Bend" the last time that I read it.
There is no bent knee whip kick in the Bryde Bend. But there is a straight trail leg whip kick in it.
Yes, the penetrating chest was also part of the Bryde Bend - to a fault. I now advocate driving the chest through but IMMEDIATELY whipping the trail leg after that, without any hesitation whatsoever. (I regret not vaulting this way back in the day, except for the one day I increased my PR by 10" and cleared 17-4 on May 22, 1971 with this technique, not realizing that I had less of a pause on that day.)
You're going to have to brush up on my Bryde Bend, GV.