Re: Placement vs. Pressure
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:08 pm
Some vaults by John Pennel
https://youtu.be/IhJbTHnt9UA
https://youtu.be/jo6Nqk4a5hM
https://youtu.be/Q3JWANR7lh4
Whilst the evidence is open to interpretation the key question posed by the originator of the thread in regard to this particular pole vaulter and the use of the bottom arm in attempting / not attempting to create space between the vaulter and the flexing pole to increase the potential amplitude of the trail leg swing can be specifically addressed.
Contributors might suggest other specific examples for discussion on whether or not the role of the lower arm is primarily to (1) increase the space through which the vaulter can swing and (2) act as a leverage point for the swing. The 2 points reflect my understanding of the central thesis raised in the first commentary of this thread.
At this juncture I will not make any comment pro or con the originator’s thesis.
I do have a set of comments I would like to make but will abstain from participation until the discourse gets directly on the topic by addressing specific shared examples.
Increasing reader awareness of the facts rather than producing reams of yet more opinion and conjecture on this seemingly intractable technical conundrum should be the goal of contributors.
Pole vault teachers, coaches and vaulters are keenly waiting for facts and principles of the arm actions in the pole support phases of the vault which will enhance their success and involvement in pole vaulting.
Opinions, ego wars, personal reconstructions of the past, abusive argumentation and ranting have defeated many previous attempts to cover this topic on this site in a sensible and rational manner.
This is an opportunity for the many wise, experienced and practicing coaches of pole vault to bring about some consensus even if only to identify what may or may not be relevant Facts of the Matter.
There are very many pole vault practitioners with vast resources of professional expertise such as engineers, physical scientists, research scientists in a variety of pertinent disciplines, sports scientists, surgeons, neuroscientists etc., who can help us clear up the science behind what is going on in the arm actions under review.
Similarly there are many highly credentialed pole vault coaches from all over the planet who could contribute their understanding and knowledge when focused on this issue.
For busy, committed people to give their time and share their expertise on PVP, especially in the Advanced Section discussions, the challenge for contributors is to present their perspectives as clearly as possible. Argument is what is expected when issues are controversial or unresolved. What is not expected or acceptable is confrontational argument attacking the person.
I am guilty of attacking the person in a discussion on this site and understand that it is extremely difficult to avoid doing so. Having made my confession I will give my best endeavors to not do this again but I suspect they won’t be good enough!
Please let’s get the topic on track, argue about facts if possible and let’s see if more people will make the effort to contribute for mutual benefit for everyone.
Readers if you want to contribute please do so as this issue is desperately in need of resolution.
https://youtu.be/IhJbTHnt9UA
https://youtu.be/jo6Nqk4a5hM
https://youtu.be/Q3JWANR7lh4
Whilst the evidence is open to interpretation the key question posed by the originator of the thread in regard to this particular pole vaulter and the use of the bottom arm in attempting / not attempting to create space between the vaulter and the flexing pole to increase the potential amplitude of the trail leg swing can be specifically addressed.
Contributors might suggest other specific examples for discussion on whether or not the role of the lower arm is primarily to (1) increase the space through which the vaulter can swing and (2) act as a leverage point for the swing. The 2 points reflect my understanding of the central thesis raised in the first commentary of this thread.
At this juncture I will not make any comment pro or con the originator’s thesis.
I do have a set of comments I would like to make but will abstain from participation until the discourse gets directly on the topic by addressing specific shared examples.
Increasing reader awareness of the facts rather than producing reams of yet more opinion and conjecture on this seemingly intractable technical conundrum should be the goal of contributors.
Pole vault teachers, coaches and vaulters are keenly waiting for facts and principles of the arm actions in the pole support phases of the vault which will enhance their success and involvement in pole vaulting.
Opinions, ego wars, personal reconstructions of the past, abusive argumentation and ranting have defeated many previous attempts to cover this topic on this site in a sensible and rational manner.
This is an opportunity for the many wise, experienced and practicing coaches of pole vault to bring about some consensus even if only to identify what may or may not be relevant Facts of the Matter.
There are very many pole vault practitioners with vast resources of professional expertise such as engineers, physical scientists, research scientists in a variety of pertinent disciplines, sports scientists, surgeons, neuroscientists etc., who can help us clear up the science behind what is going on in the arm actions under review.
Similarly there are many highly credentialed pole vault coaches from all over the planet who could contribute their understanding and knowledge when focused on this issue.
For busy, committed people to give their time and share their expertise on PVP, especially in the Advanced Section discussions, the challenge for contributors is to present their perspectives as clearly as possible. Argument is what is expected when issues are controversial or unresolved. What is not expected or acceptable is confrontational argument attacking the person.
I am guilty of attacking the person in a discussion on this site and understand that it is extremely difficult to avoid doing so. Having made my confession I will give my best endeavors to not do this again but I suspect they won’t be good enough!
Please let’s get the topic on track, argue about facts if possible and let’s see if more people will make the effort to contribute for mutual benefit for everyone.
Readers if you want to contribute please do so as this issue is desperately in need of resolution.