BTB Better Than Bubka

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Re: BTB Better Than Bubka

Unread postby Decamouse » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:07 am

Some of it is "show me the money" in the US there are more football scholarships - and when you add in baseball and basketball -- it is a stacked deck - example -- being a Packer fan - Jordy Nelson-- not a superstar - good solid player - makes more playing football than he probably could being a top vaulter - he is 6'3" ran a 10.62 100m -- was a sprinter in HS -- think with a good coach he could vault? but why? He gets a college education, more opportunities in Pro Football -- how many of these do you think are out there. There are many examples like this and not only pole vault, HJ, throwers -- do not see professional football drawing talent in Russia - but they may have other sports - like soccer is in parts of the world -
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Re: BTB Better Than Bubka

Unread postby VaultPurple » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:24 am

Why? Because it is fun and addictive. I'm not saying every kid in the world has to try pole vault, but rather have the opportunity and know what it is by the time they reach high school. When I was in middle school I was not thinking I wanna play baseball or football because they offer more scholarships or have the highest paying professional athletes. I just did what ever I thought was the most fun. Jeremy Wariner was also a star football player in high school and considered running track and playing football for Baylor in college, but he chose track. You see this a lot with sprinters, It is about doing what you love.

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Re: BTB Better Than Bubka

Unread postby dj » Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:29 pm

good morning,

we have had athletes in the past that were capable of setting the world record.

It seems now like the more we have done (promoting, analyzing, etc) the number of vaulters with the real talent to get the record has diminished.

Like Becca (I think?) mentioned high school coaches put the “talent” in the events they don’t have to coach and turn them loose… the slow, weak, none athlete (fortunately not always) goes to the vault for something to do or because there is no one to compete against.. 6 feet for a girl and 8/9 feet for a boy scores points.. I was 5-6 116 lbs in the 9th grade and jumped 9-3 on a steel pole.. I know I wasn’t an exceptional athlete at that age but I could jump 17/18 feet in the long jump.

What we end up having is a more dangerous sport which forces rules that cost thousands of dollars, the schools refuse to spend the money.. so again the athletes that can’t make the team and can spend the money go to a training center …

Back to “potential”.. Bubka’s record “streak” started in 1984 and went to 1994… during that time The first American to come to mind would be Lawrence Johnson..

I was fortunate to be well aware of Lawrence’s issue and it was simply the run… yes the vault guru’s say the pole drop, free takeoff, late plant..yada, yada.. it was the approach run period.

Since then any vaulter with 10.5 100 meter speed should be capable of the record. Without working with them I can’t tell you why but I know if the same process was done with them that I did with Tully from 1983 to 1988 we would have the answer.

If the speed and strength is there the “reason’s can be identified.

Tully was heavy, slow and stretching into the takeoff.. which caused a loss of force and position.. we dropped the weight, got physically fit and worked on the approach run speed. He was stretching the last step because he was trying to “speed” up at the takeoff to move the pole and grip he was using.... so we started the first half (to the mid) of his run faster so all he needed to do was “get the feet down and create a penultimate action on the last two steps..

We have had four 6 meter jumpers… maybe one of those had world record potential. We would only know if we went through the process I took Tully through.

Break down the current vaulters we have, with speed and according to physics- (not just the “look") and you may find a world record holder.

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Re: BTB Better Than Bubka

Unread postby Lax PV » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:29 am

Decamouse wrote:Jordy Nelson-- not a superstar - good solid player - makes more playing football than he probably could being a top vaulter - he is 6'3" ran a 10.62 100m -- was a sprinter in HS --


Not to get off subject, but I dig Jordy Nelson... with Driver out this weekend, he might see some balls thrown his way... GO PACK!


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