As I understand it you prefer to be "on" as opposed to even beeing slightly out (lets say one inch).
Will you explain to me why that is? I know that it is possible to have a free take off even if you are "on," but what happens when you are ever so slightly out (lets ay one inch)?
Studying film of Bubka and other elite vaulters is very helpful, but sometimes what you see isn't necessarily what they are trying to do.
I concur completely, in fact ,in a very recent post I made this comment!
These are both classic examples of were the vaulters intentions are not demonstated by much physical evidence but I believe that it is the intention (Continue reaching skyward to maintain that stretch) that is important.
I think it is a mistake to say that you "pull with the top arm, followed by the bottom arm. "
I did not state it as you quoted me above, "I said the pull will occur Immediately "(Naturally) it has to because the shoulders are stretched and they naturally recoil.
The pull will occur Immediately (It has to the shoulders girdle and lats are stretched so they naturally recoil) beginning with the top arm (because it is stretched more) and then immediatley assisted by the left at precisely the right time! ........ the natural pull that occurs fromthe recoiling lats and shoulder girdles
There is a strong "re-engagement of the shoulders" that starts the swing together with the whip of the trail leg, but I wouldn't call it a "pull.
Thats fine, but aren't we saying the same thing here?
I did call it a pull and I can see were that might be misinterpreted. Never the less would you agree that a pull does occur on the pole, especially the top hand, as the accelerating mass of the body meets the pole and also a result of the stretched shoulder girdles? I have also referred to this as an active stretch. Also would you agree that it occurs in the top hand first as this arm is stretched more?
Thank-You for pointing out that the bottom hand elbow should remain straight until the accelerating mass of the body meets the pole. I always wondered when was the appropriate time to bend it. The way you have described it makes great sense as it allows you to get higher grip height and pole angle. Do you believe a small natural push on the pole takes place from the Bottom hand even with the bent elbow?
You said that one should not continue the pull with the top arm at this point, (remember you are in the fully inverted-C at this point and the top hand is actually behind your whip foot (straight line drawn down to vertical and the swing has just begun)) but, to continue reaching until the end of the swing and beyond. I have never actually contiplated pulling much with the top hand at this point, most of my focus has been on pulling with the bottom hand (a lat and shoulder girdle pull first). I believe an active bottom hand pull should begin at the point of maximum bend of the pole (this delays the uncoiling and puts you out ahead of the pole). But, I just realised the pole has not quite yet reached its maximum bend. So you are saying to push for this small fraction of a second time as your whip passes by the chord of the pole to increase your swing radius Wow, Tom you have given me even more to think about and I love the fact that you give the rationale behind it! Would it be correct to think about this as a delayed lock out? The only method that I ahve ever read was Petrovs were none of this has been described ( not even the part about the top arm should stay long and extended until the end of the swing and even beyond) ? Unless I missed it? How do you feel about an active bottom arm pull beginning at point of Maximum bend? Would it not be easier to pull with the bottom elbow bent some? If so would one need to push, relax elbow and then pull? I know that these are a lot of questions, but I am starving for the answers! Thanks again Man! More points to ponder.
Cheers back at ya!