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palm1234 wrote:- he has a new PB at his home pole vault (he has 25 m to run) 5,90, it was 5,84 last year

It's not at his home pole vault...
The journalist asked him "I heard you train with rubber at 6.20 or 6.25m high."
Renaud answered "Yes... just to get used to jump those heights [...] Actually, my best jump during training remains at 5.90 m."
(FYI : Renaud also jumped a rubber with clearance at 5.90 during warming-up at Rouen's meeting before jumping 6.04 m during the competition 10 days ago... )

Technically it is hard to imagine a vaulter more different from Bubka. I would like to know what all the advocates of the Bubka/Petrov model will say if and when Lavillenie breaks Bubka's Record. I imagine they will find ways to rationalize that Lavillenie's technique actually fits the B/P model.

david bussabarger wrote:Technically it is hard to imagine a vaulter more different from Bubka. I would like to know what all the advocates of the Bubka/Petrov model will say if and when Lavillenie breaks Bubka's Record. I imagine they will find ways to rationalize that Lavillenie's technique actually fits the B/P model.

I think they already sadly wrote what you think about this 6.08 and the supposed "unfair technique" of Renaud... (sorry about you, KirkB, you're some of the one I normally agree the most on this forum, reading you along your posts...)

KirkB wrote:Have you noticed that the higher he vaults (these past few years) the smoother he swings (less of a pause as the pole rolls forwards)?
Yes, this is a plug for the Petrov Model. Remember the backyard vaults he did where there was no discernible pause at all?
Kirk

Just wait for what will append and just see....

Wan wrote:

david bussabarger wrote:Technically it is hard to imagine a vaulter more different from Bubka. ...

I think they already sadly wrote what you think about this 6.08 and the supposed "unfair technique" of Renaud... (sorry about you, KirkB, you're some of the one I normally agree the most on this forum, reading you along your posts...)

KirkB wrote:Have you noticed that the higher he vaults (these past few years) the smoother he swings (less of a pause as the pole rolls forwards)?
Yes, this is a plug for the Petrov Model. Remember the backyard vaults he did where there was no discernible pause at all?

Kirk

Yes, that's what I said and what I'm saying.

But I didn't call this "unfair technique" - I don't know who you're quoting for that one, Wan. And I don't know why you think that what I wrote is "sad". I'm actually quite happy and quite impressed with Lavillenie's recent PRs!

Nice to hear from you again, David. I would love to hear your comparison of Bubka to Lavillenie, or your comparison of Lavillenie 4 years ago to today!

Best as I can tell, Renaud's progression has been ...

2005
2006
2007
2008 5.81i
2009 6.01 5.82i
2010 5.94 5.85i
2011 5.90 6.03i
2012 5.97 5.95i
2013 6.02 6.01i
2014 6.08i

I don't know any of his marks prior to 2009. Maybe someone else can fill in these blanks?

So if you don't think his technique has improved in the past 5 years (looking more and more like the Petrov Model), then how do you account for his PR progression? Faster? Stronger? What?

You can answer this in the new Lavillenie vs Bubka thread you created a few minutes ago. http://www.polevaultpower.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=44165

Kirk

KirkB wrote:2005
2006
2007
2008 5.81i
2009 6.01 5.82i
2010 5.94 5.85i
2011 5.90 6.03i
2012 5.97 5.95i
2013 6.02 6.01i
2014 6.08i

I don't know any of his marks prior to 2009. Maybe someone else can fill in these blanks?

According to Renaud's website :

2002 3.40 2.80i
2003 4.30 3.80i
2004 4.60 4.20i
2005 4.70 4.60i
2006 5.22 5.05i
2007 5.45 5.35i
2008 5.65 5.81i
2009 6.01 5.82i
2010 5.94 5.85i
2011 5.90 6.03i
2012 5.97 5.95i
2013 6.02 6.01i
2014 6.08i

Some stats about Renaud to come (compared with others)... if you like... or somewhere else on this forum ?

I gotta give kudos to Renaud for the enthusiam he brings to the sport. He jumps in lots of meets and more often than not he performs at a high level. It's refreshing to see and I hope it breeds more enthusiasm for out sport, and Track and Field in General

Well said, Paul! We need more of what he's got!

Just wondering where all those folk have gone who accused Bubka of being influential in having the rules modified to prevent other jumpers getting close to him!

I have not had a chance to analyse what Lavellenie is doing except to note briefly that he is certainly using the high pole carry and organised lowering of the pole that is characteristic of the P/B model and he seems to be taking off a heck of a long way out - --something that more US vaulters did not want to consider just a few years ago - an attitude which I suspect Petrov/Bubka helped to change.

Note that a good analysis, especially if it is to be comparative, takes time and at the moment I am dealing with some more pressing matters in my life.

altius wrote:Just wondering where all those folk have gone who accused Bubka of being influential in having the rules modified to prevent other jumpers getting close to him!.

Still here. I don't see how someone else breaking his record would change my opinion on that matter.