T&F News World Rankings 2009

[rainbowgirl28]

Men's Pole Vault
1. Steve Hooker (Australia)
2. Renaud Lavillenie (France)
3. Romain Mesnil (France)
4. Maksym Mazuryk (Ukraine)
5. Derek Miles (US)

(no other Americans in the top 10)

Decathlon
1. Trey Hardee (US)
2. Leonel Suárez (Cuba)
3. Aleksandr Pogorelov (Russia)
4. Oleksiy Kasyanov (Ukraine)
5. Michael Schrader (Germany)


Yeah Trey!!


Women's Pole Vault
1. Yelena Isinbayeva (Russia)
2. Anna Rogowska (Poland)
3. Monika Pyrek (Poland)
4. Fabiana Murer (Brazil)
5. Svetlana Feofanova (Russia)

(Jenn 8th, Chelsea 9th)



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[KirkB]

I wonder why Jenski was only ranked 8th?

Kirk

[rainbowgirl28]

I wonder why Jenski was only ranked 8th?

Kirk

Because she did not compete internationally at all. The rankings are heavily influenced by head-to-head results and performances in Championship meets.

[roger/over]

Still, it's hard to accept Jenn being ranked below FIVE vaulters (Rogowska, Pyrek, Feofanova, Silverburg and Golubchikova) whose seasonal bests weren't as good as hers.

[VTechVaulter]

yeah like becca said, season PRS mean very little compared to head to head performances. It was interesting to me when worldrankings.net was still free, to see the amount of european athletes that were ranked ahead of a lot of our second tier guys (the ones excluding the brad, toby, tim, derek, jeff group). Mark Hollis was a prime example in 2008. There were lots of european 5.50-5.60 guys ranked higher because they were in the bigger meets that Mark couldn't get into because he wasn't one of the top 3-4 US guys. Although i have a feeling that will change soon.

[VaultNinja]

Yeah its a lot easier to get a high ranking if your already in Europe because international meets get you a ton more points towards your ranking. And almost every meet in Europe is international since countries aren't even as big as some counties in the US. Doesn't seem like a fair system if your not in Europe year round.
I agree on the Mark Hollis thing though. That guy is about to make his mark (no pun intended) on International Track and Field.

[Barto]

As far as the rest of the world is concerned, high level track and field just doesn't exist in the US. If you want to make your mark it has to be in Europe. Period. Even Hooker (and Burgess) were seriously discriminated against in the rankings until they went out on the Euro circuit and cut their teeth. You can cry about it an d say it is unfair, but that won't change the reality.

[VaultLove]

That is a fact. And Walker will return and be the other American. They will not put Hollis in the Euro mix unless he medals indoors. Miles, Walker and a third. If Mack is jumping well, it will be him or Jeremy Scott. They are creatures of habit abroad and will most definately favor those qualified for European Championships. The upcoming championships in Barcelona is significant.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned, high level track and field just doesn't exist in the US. If you want to make your mark it has to be in Europe. Period. Even Hooker (and Burgess) were seriously discriminated against in the rankings until they went out on the Euro circuit and cut their teeth. You can cry about it an d say it is unfair, but that won't change the reality.

[VaultNinja]

That is a fact. And Walker will return and be the other American. They will not put Hollis in the Euro mix unless he medals indoors. Miles, Walker and a third. If Mack is jumping well, it will be him or Jeremy Scott. They are creatures of habit abroad and will most definately favor those qualified for European Championships. The upcoming championships in Barcelona is significant.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned, high level track and field just doesn't exist in the US. If you want to make your mark it has to be in Europe. Period. Even Hooker (and Burgess) were seriously discriminated against in the rankings until they went out on the Euro circuit and cut their teeth. You can cry about it an d say it is unfair, but that won't change the reality.

I like your picks, but I hate to tell you Americans can't go to "European" Championships. Unless you meant with an international qualifying standard for a meet they can't compete in, and the mark speaks for itself, then you are right that helps your chances of getting into meets over in Europe, but its usually not enough to have an A-standard anymore. Easy on Hollis though, you might be eating your words on that one. We are all talking him up, because we see what he is capable of, and once he finds a rhythm and becomes a "creature of habit" (which many of us are thinking is about to happen) he will be an amazing vaulter that will be become an international threat. Also you don't need a medal at an Indoor worlds to get into prestigious meets if your jumping over 5.90. There are other ways to get noticed. But a medal sure wouldn't hurt.
You don't have to buy into any of this, I'm just saying I do, so keep your eye on his season and I'm guessing we'll talk about this again

[VaultLove]

What are you speaking of? My post clearly states that a Euro Champs 2010, the Americans listed, Miles, Walker, and (1) other will likley be the only invites. I did not write a thing about U.S. marks or qualifying. I reiterate that their will be heavy emphasis on qualified Euro Champs athletes throughout Europe. Exceptional years were of course when Americans ranked 1-5 or 1-4 World rank. Hardly the case any longer, though, Walker is always welcomed. He will not be punished for being injured. I will not be eating my words. It is hardly serious for me. I have nothing invested in Mr. Hollis. The French entries are suddenly 3 deep.Anyone rising and making a mark will have an Indoor WC medal opportunity. Otherwise, it will need to be legitimate mark in Europe

that is all.........

That is a fact. And Walker will return and be the other American. They will not put Hollis in the Euro mix unless he medals indoors. Miles, Walker and a third. If Mack is jumping well, it will be him or Jeremy Scott. They are creatures of habit abroad and will most definately favor those qualified for European Championships. The upcoming championships in Barcelona is significant.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned, high level track and field just doesn't exist in the US. If you want to make your mark it has to be in Europe. Period. Even Hooker (and Burgess) were seriously discriminated against in the rankings until they went out on the Euro circuit and cut their teeth. You can cry about it an d say it is unfair, but that won't change the reality.

I like your picks, but I hate to tell you Americans can't go to "European" Championships. Unless you meant with an international qualifying standard for a meet they can't compete in, and the mark speaks for itself, then you are right that helps your chances of getting into meets over in Europe, but its usually not enough to have an A-standard anymore. Easy on Hollis though, you might be eating your words on that one. We are all talking him up, because we see what he is capable of, and once he finds a rhythm and becomes a "creature of habit" (which many of us are thinking is about to happen) he will be an amazing vaulter that will be become an international threat. Also you don't need a medal at an Indoor worlds to get into prestigious meets if your jumping over 5.90. There are other ways to get noticed. But a medal sure wouldn't hurt.
You don't have to buy into any of this, I'm just saying I do, so keep your eye on his season and I'm guessing we'll talk about this again

[VTechVaulter]

do you mean world champs? you keep saying european champs.. which none of the US guys can go to...

[VaultLove]

I write about US men competing on euro circuit. Most likely 3. and I write about European Championships. Yes, I write about it because is upcoming. It is quite important to us in Europe. Also, note that it includes Israel. Is that clear? It will be in the future at least.

do you mean world champs? you keep saying european champs.. which none of the US guys can go to...